Fuel initiatives
05-20-2018, 05:15 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by FrankTheTank
All this, yet we nearly flamed out an Airbus.... Good thing those gauges are accurate. I had the fuels slips off recently so they had to dip the tanks. Came up with the 3 different numbers.. Maint used the best guess to figure out with was right.
05-20-2018, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Busdrivr
Question for captains: You are over LIT inbound to MEM and your FMS shows you can expect to land with just a little less than emergency fuel. Weather is VFR and traffic is normal number of inbounds. What do you do?
From the latest version of the FOM....
The Captain must declare “emergency fuel” and report fuel remaining in minutes to ATC when predicted fuel at touchdown is equal to or less than the following amounts: (Insert applicable emergency fuel value for your A/C).
05-20-2018, 07:38 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Busdrivr
Question for captains: You are over LIT inbound to MEM and your FMS shows you can expect to land with just a little less than emergency fuel. Weather is VFR and traffic is normal number of inbounds. What do you do?
05-20-2018, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Busdrivr
Question for captains: You are over LIT inbound to MEM and your FMS shows you can expect to land with just a little less than emergency fuel. Weather is VFR and traffic is normal number of inbounds. What do you do?
05-20-2018, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Busdrivr
Question for captains: You are over LIT inbound to MEM and your FMS shows you can expect to land with just a little less than emergency fuel. Weather is VFR and traffic is normal number of inbounds. What do you do?
There's only one correct answer from an experienced professional aviator.
Weather & ATC are only two factors.
One must always factor/anticipate the next unplanned event, especially mechanical.
It's the compound problems that bite most guys --- and taking away your ability to "enter holding & wind the clock" will just compress the timeline you have to gather information, build clear situational awareness and make sound judgements.
And oh yeah, you may be a wee bit tired too.
Tired, low on gas, and an unexpected ATC, WX or Mechanical event
Not where a professional pilot should ever end up.
05-20-2018, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Busdrivr
Question for captains: You are over LIT inbound to MEM and your FMS shows you can expect to land with just a little less than emergency fuel. Weather is VFR and traffic is normal number of inbounds. What do you do?
05-20-2018, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Busdrivr
Question for captains: You are over LIT inbound to MEM and your FMS shows you can expect to land with just a little less than emergency fuel. Weather is VFR and traffic is normal number of inbounds. What do you do?
05-20-2018, 08:42 AM
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Is anyone else wondering why the latest fuel policy message is referring to Emergency fuel as a “decision point”? 
Seems like most of the decisions would need to be made well before that as soon as it becomes evident that touchdown will occur at or below that fuel state.
Seems like most of the decisions would need to be made well before that as soon as it becomes evident that touchdown will occur at or below that fuel state.
05-20-2018, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Is anyone else wondering why the latest fuel policy message is referring to Emergency fuel as a “decision point”?
Seems like most of the decisions would need to be made well before that as soon as it becomes evident that touchdown will occur at or below that fuel state.
Seems like most of the decisions would need to be made well before that as soon as it becomes evident that touchdown will occur at or below that fuel state.
If we were going to land with less than 45 minutes of fuel we were talkign to dispatch and most likely diverting. Unless continuing was the safer option. Yes I have had to declare "min fuel", it was company policy to do so if landing fuel was going predicted to to be less than 45 minutes, but both occurrences were after go-arounds and never was required to do paperwork or received a phone call.
05-20-2018, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Is anyone else wondering why the latest fuel policy message is referring to Emergency fuel as a “decision point”?
Seems like most of the decisions would need to be made well before that as soon as it becomes evident that touchdown will occur at or below that fuel state.
Seems like most of the decisions would need to be made well before that as soon as it becomes evident that touchdown will occur at or below that fuel state.
If enroute we were predicted to land with less than 45 minutes of fuel we were required to talk to dispatch and most likely diverting (we even had these numbers on the release at each waypoint). Unless continuing was the safer option. Yes I have had to declare "min fuel", it was company policy to do so if landing fuel was going predicted to to be less than 45 minutes, but both occurrences were after go-arounds and never was required to do paperwork or received a phone call.
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