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Old 08-29-2018, 05:53 PM   #21  
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Here's an interesting thing. There are large numbers of R day blocks left in open time, AFTER secondary lines have been released, on the Bus. Both Capt and FO. I am confused, I would have thought those would have been filled by VTO holders. I realize the FO position is short, but the Captains are still kind of fat (double entendre here).

Never seen this before. So what's going on? Error? These reserve blocks don't actually exist? Extra blocks?
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Old 08-30-2018, 02:30 AM   #22  
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Just havenít been removed yet - I own one of them
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Old 08-30-2018, 06:30 PM   #23  
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So trip trading for Sep is open now. I see pilots proffering trips for makeup. Is this because they tried to just drop them and were denied?
Or, is there some advantage to doing the proffer for makeup that I'm unaware of?
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Old 08-30-2018, 06:35 PM   #24  
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So trip trading for Sep is open now. I see pilots proffering trips for makeup. Is this because they tried to just drop them and were denied?
Or, is there some advantage to doing the proffer for makeup that I'm unaware of?
Im going to go with the drop was denied so this is the last hope effort. Lots of AVA seats this month and seats with no AVA still have a very skinny reserve level.
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Old 08-31-2018, 12:08 PM   #25  
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So trip trading for Sep is open now. I see pilots proffering trips for makeup. Is this because they tried to just drop them and were denied?
Or, is there some advantage to doing the proffer for makeup that I'm unaware of?
Bus has a bunch and reserve manning shows most my rdays short but no AVA..
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Old 08-31-2018, 05:14 PM   #26  
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So trip trading for Sep is open now. I see pilots proffering trips for makeup. Is this because they tried to just drop them and were denied?
Or, is there some advantage to doing the proffer for makeup that I'm unaware of?
The advantage is CRS doesn’t determine if everyone sees the trip (until they pull it inside 72hrs from show). If someone chooses to pick up a MU Proffer, the hours are processed just like an old school drop/pickup.

During the first hours of open time release, if I just want to get rid of a trip, I just proffer. Waiting for the drop denial waste hours. I can proffer, go to bed, and it’ll be gone by morning.
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The advantage is CRS doesn’t determine if everyone sees the trip (until they pull it inside 72hrs from show). If someone chooses to pick up a MU Proffer, the hours are processed just like an old school drop/pickup.
"Old school drops"?? Can you explain? Other than adding the contingency drop option, from what I can see, CBA 2015 did not change how drops are requested or processed.

How would CRS determine if "everyone sees a trip" a pilot is asking to drop that isn't in OT because it's still on his calendar awaiting drop approval?

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During the first hours of open time release, if I just want to get rid of a trip, I just proffer. Waiting for the drop denial waste hours. I can proffer, go to bed, and it’ll be gone by morning.
This, I can understand. The first part, not so much.
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"Old school drops"?? Can you explain? Other than adding the contingency drop option, from what I can see, CBA 2015 did not change how drops are requested or processed.

How would CRS determine if "everyone sees a trip" a pilot is asking to drop that isn't in OT because it's still on his calendar awaiting drop approval?
In other words....

While drop processing didn’t change, proffer eliminates some CRS oversight and, by default, eliminates the BS reasoning and “math” behind drop denials. When a pilot picks up a MU proffer it is essentially processed just like an approved drop/pickup but without reference to open time/reserve coverage.

Drop - No one sees the trip until the drop is approved. Pilots that may want the trip don’t even get to know you want to drop unless CRS says they can see it by approving the drop.

Proffer - Everyone sees the trip immediately. If you are legal for the trip, you can pick it up. MU you need hours in your bank. TPU is a straight give away.

You probably know everything I just said and old school is a poor choice of words on my part. I use proffer often as I am the low flyer Kronan loves to hate. I view it as a new way of dropping a trip. It’s like setting an item on the curb with a sign that says free and it’s gone in the morning. One pilot’s trash is another’s treasure.
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You probably know everything I just said and old school is a poor choice of words on my part. I use proffer often as I am the low flyer Kronan loves to hate. I view it as a new way of dropping a trip. It’s like setting an item on the curb with a sign that says free and it’s gone in the morning. One pilot’s trash is another’s treasure.
Why would you think I hate you?

Totally up to you how you manage your life. If you’re financially independent, doesn’t matter to me in the slightest.

Don’t think it’s prudent for most pilots.

You are one car crash away from never being a pilot again, and if 50% pay based on your take home is more than sufficient for your needs, well, doesn’t matter either way to me. If you wind up being one of the GoFund people, well I’ll still be chipping in.

Disability is based on the highest consecutive 12 months of earnings, not what you could’ve been making. But take home.

So if you’re single, or dinks, 50% of even NB FO pay is a pretty good life.
Less so if you’re looking at 3 kids going to college and you hope to help them out.

Only people I hate are those that suddenly start blocking their calendar a year or so into negotiations to hide the extra 18 CHs they fly every month
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Only people I hate are those that suddenly start blocking their calendar a year or so into negotiations to hide the extra 18 CHs they fly every month
got it. get the 18 hours but donít block your calendar. make out like a bandit or stand the line, and either way get sold out.
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