Nucleus Open Time Prototype Survey
10-14-2018 | 09:45 AM
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Guess it somewhat depends upon how much you trust the software and the amount of inputs you could submit for a generic OTP request.
Based on the inputs available for generic Makeup\VLT...not thinking our Beloved IT department would put a lot of effort into it.
Nor would I "trust" them.
In general, seems like the 90 second trades happen during the Sick Time Open time frenzy. Post 10 Memphis, or even worse-Sunday afternoon\evening...trades can take a looooonnnnggg time to process.
At some point in time, the person with OTP is going to be checking open time and as is the case currently, a trip's likely been sitting there for quite awhile. So long that those unused to dial up internet (or a Telephone Makeup request) are probably banging their heads and coming over to APC to post comments while simultaneously texting their friends how ridiculous it is that they have to WAIT, for anything.
But, it's been sitting there with maybe 2-5-17 submitted requests. All of which are for naught once the Trump Card of OTP is input.
And, as much as I like the idea of a generic OTP submission, my last OTP trip was an X pairing to a city combination not in my bidpack so there's No Way I could've expected that.
More than Real Time trading, I'd love to see SUB simply go away as a Paid event. But considering that FedEx cancels trips weeks in advance, just can't seem them agreeing to it.
And, to be honest, would be worried at what FedEx would do. Any CBA restrictions against revising a trip to a Memphis HSBY, for example?
Based on the inputs available for generic Makeup\VLT...not thinking our Beloved IT department would put a lot of effort into it.
Nor would I "trust" them.
In general, seems like the 90 second trades happen during the Sick Time Open time frenzy. Post 10 Memphis, or even worse-Sunday afternoon\evening...trades can take a looooonnnnggg time to process.
At some point in time, the person with OTP is going to be checking open time and as is the case currently, a trip's likely been sitting there for quite awhile. So long that those unused to dial up internet (or a Telephone Makeup request) are probably banging their heads and coming over to APC to post comments while simultaneously texting their friends how ridiculous it is that they have to WAIT, for anything.
But, it's been sitting there with maybe 2-5-17 submitted requests. All of which are for naught once the Trump Card of OTP is input.
And, as much as I like the idea of a generic OTP submission, my last OTP trip was an X pairing to a city combination not in my bidpack so there's No Way I could've expected that.
More than Real Time trading, I'd love to see SUB simply go away as a Paid event. But considering that FedEx cancels trips weeks in advance, just can't seem them agreeing to it.
And, to be honest, would be worried at what FedEx would do. Any CBA restrictions against revising a trip to a Memphis HSBY, for example?
You can make it so that you can also put in a request for any X pairing. So if any trips with your criteria, including X pairings, fall into open time, you get a notification (text alert) and if you want it, you pick it up.
Also, you can negotiate restrictions on trip revisions. For example, you can negotiate a prohibition on revising a trip before show time, preventing it from turning into a HSBY.
10-15-2018 | 12:22 PM
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You can make it so that you can also put in a request for any X pairing. So if any trips with your criteria, including X pairings, fall into open time, you get a notification (text alert) and if you want it, you pick it up.
Also, you can negotiate restrictions on trip revisions. For example, you can negotiate a prohibition on revising a trip before show time, preventing it from turning into a HSBY.
Also, you can negotiate restrictions on trip revisions. For example, you can negotiate a prohibition on revising a trip before show time, preventing it from turning into a HSBY.
My point is I don't prefer to ask for a pig in a poke. Want to see the pairing before I request it for something like OTP. (Have requested General M/U in the past to fill a hole in my schedule...but I've never been awarded a General Makeup trip)
Just me, but if we manage to negotiate a prohibition like that into the CBA the easy CRS solution is to just wait until show to revise it.
I know one of my YGBTSM revisions was when CRS cancelled a DH back about an hour prior to show. So I woke up to a Crew Notification and an extra 90 minutes of Pay, yay me. I mean what commuter wouldn't want to operate back to Memphis Saturday night w/ an 11 PM arrival.
Talk about weird. One of the only times I've been cleared direct Memphis and we were cleared for any runway we wanted
10-15-2018 | 03:03 PM
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Is that an FxCal text alert?
My point is I don't prefer to ask for a pig in a poke. Want to see the pairing before I request it for something like OTP. (Have requested General M/U in the past to fill a hole in my schedule...but I've never been awarded a General Makeup trip)
Just me, but if we manage to negotiate a prohibition like that into the CBA the easy CRS solution is to just wait until show to revise it.
I know one of my YGBTSM revisions was when CRS cancelled a DH back about an hour prior to show. So I woke up to a Crew Notification and an extra 90 minutes of Pay, yay me. I mean what commuter wouldn't want to operate back to Memphis Saturday night w/ an 11 PM arrival.
Talk about weird. One of the only times I've been cleared direct Memphis and we were cleared for any runway we wanted
My point is I don't prefer to ask for a pig in a poke. Want to see the pairing before I request it for something like OTP. (Have requested General M/U in the past to fill a hole in my schedule...but I've never been awarded a General Makeup trip)
Just me, but if we manage to negotiate a prohibition like that into the CBA the easy CRS solution is to just wait until show to revise it.
I know one of my YGBTSM revisions was when CRS cancelled a DH back about an hour prior to show. So I woke up to a Crew Notification and an extra 90 minutes of Pay, yay me. I mean what commuter wouldn't want to operate back to Memphis Saturday night w/ an 11 PM arrival.
Talk about weird. One of the only times I've been cleared direct Memphis and we were cleared for any runway we wanted
My point is that it can be better and it can be negotiated. Make it so that can’t revise anyone into HSBY or whatever. Point being that it can be a lot better than it is now.
Does FxCal do text alerts? I’m talking about the company open time system itself. There is a lot that can be done to make that better as well.
10-16-2018 | 07:24 AM
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And, as much as I like the idea of a generic OTP submission, my last OTP trip was an X pairing to a city combination not in my bidpack so there's No Way I could've expected that.
More than Real Time trading, I'd love to see SUB simply go away as a Paid event. But considering that FedEx cancels trips weeks in advance, just can't seem them agreeing to it.
More than Real Time trading, I'd love to see SUB simply go away as a Paid event. But considering that FedEx cancels trips weeks in advance, just can't seem them agreeing to it.
I'm a little confused by some of your comments. On the one hand, you're concerned about losing the ability to replace lost flying after turning down SUB if we go to RTTT. But, not so concerned that you're willing to use the most reliable method (Gen M/U with OTP). You want to see what you're getting (or may get), which - by definition means you're anchored to your computer, regularly checking open time to find a replacement. Yet, as you wrote below, you seem to think that's not necessary - hence my confusion. How does one avoid losing out on cherry trips when hoping to use OTP if they have to see them first while still mowing the lawn, church, etc.?
See, the nice thing now is that you can go out and mow your lawn, go to church, eat dinner, all without having to be constantly scanning Open Time for that primo cherry trip to regain the hours you've elected to drop versus remaining in Substitution.
But just because it's rare for me, doesn't mean I think the ability to use it should be severely impacted by a change in typical processing times.
But just because it's rare for me, doesn't mean I think the ability to use it should be severely impacted by a change in typical processing times.
The current system and our current contract are not set up to allow an OTP holder ANY guarantee on priority unless they put in a preemptive request. If it happens due to luck and/or skeds dragging their feet on BLAs, then score one for you. But, using random happenstance for a minority to justify denying the majority RTTT is ridiculous. If there was a contractually required delay, then the argument holds water - but there isn't. Third party software options that poll OT and text you may help, but use of those are not part of our contract.
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10-16-2018 | 07:43 AM
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I agree with you 100% Alder, it makes no sense to say that you don't want RTTT because you want to be able to exercise your OTP rights when the current contract doesn't have any restriction on CRS waiting to process trip trades and make up.
If people are really hung up on OTP, then why not try to get contract language that prevents CRS from processing trip trades from 0700 until 1000 LBT? That's the window in the current contract that CRS can't assign trips to reserves and the time when current sick call trips drop into open time. The other 21 hours are open for RTTT.
If people are really hung up on OTP, then why not try to get contract language that prevents CRS from processing trip trades from 0700 until 1000 LBT? That's the window in the current contract that CRS can't assign trips to reserves and the time when current sick call trips drop into open time. The other 21 hours are open for RTTT.
10-17-2018 | 02:01 PM
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What I said was that there would be RTTT for all hours except from 0700 - 1000 LBT, the same time period that CRS isn't allowed to assign trips to reserves. That three hour period would be a known time for all of you OTP users to submit for trips and have priority. The other 21 hours would be RTTT, i.e., first come first serve.
10-17-2018 | 02:54 PM
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I never said anything about 1500 or 1800 cutoffs.
What I said was that there would be RTTT for all hours except from 0700 - 1000 LBT, the same time period that CRS isn't allowed to assign trips to reserves. That three hour period would be a known time for all of you OTP users to submit for trips and have priority. The other 21 hours would be RTTT, i.e., first come first serve.
What I said was that there would be RTTT for all hours except from 0700 - 1000 LBT, the same time period that CRS isn't allowed to assign trips to reserves. That three hour period would be a known time for all of you OTP users to submit for trips and have priority. The other 21 hours would be RTTT, i.e., first come first serve.
They need to just get rid of MakeUp bank, everybody will be able to pick up at their leisure. There is nothing worst that requesting a make up and it sits a while they someone submits an OTP and gets the trip.
10-17-2018 | 07:43 PM
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You mentioned trip assignment to RSV and OTP users, so how about the rest of the crew force who are trying to trip trade or makeup to improve there QOL.
They need to just get rid of MakeUp bank, everybody will be able to pick up at their leisure. There is nothing worst that requesting a make up and it sits a while they someone submits an OTP and gets the trip.
They need to just get rid of MakeUp bank, everybody will be able to pick up at their leisure. There is nothing worst that requesting a make up and it sits a while they someone submits an OTP and gets the trip.
It seemed counter intuitive to me at first but it makes sense.
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