One additional point to ponder. As a seniority number holder, whether he joins the union or not, he will pay dues?

 

He was hired because he was a pilot. Some years later he was given a seniority number. Nothing in our CBA prevents it.

 

You know for a fact that he was hired because he was a pilot? The position he was hired for didn't require him to be a pilot.

If he was so interested in being a pilot on the seniority list, why didn't they give him seniority number when they hired him?

I think you've been eating too much pizza!

There are a lot of things that our contract doesn't prevent. And the more you make excuses and vote for subpar contracts, the worse it will get.

 

I like Tim a whole lot more than Paul C. And Paul was "one of us."

 

You guy are really taking this business thing personally.

Here Judge for yourself: Flight Operations, I think they tried to hire him as a Captain and ALPA said no. You’d have to ask ALPA.

Me four slices of Company pizza, how about you? Do you use the company sleep room? Tony say they are gratis not required, sort of like the pizza.

For the record sub par is good. How did you vote on the bridge contracts and the LOAs?

 

Robert, err, Tim might be a nice guy. I've heard nothing to contradict that. He may be very likable. Likability is not the issue. Will we decide to complain when the next "outsider" gets the same treatment but we don't like him? When The Company observes that we didn't complain when Tim got a number, will we respond with, "Yeah, but we liked Tim. We don't like this guy."

Ironically, PC's incompetence as a manager may very well have motivated the search for an outsider to succeed him. But when they created a new position in the hierarchy and hired an outsider to fill it, it was The Company telling us that there was nobody on the Seniority List qualified to fill the position. I know there were pilots on the seniority list who were well-qualified and aspired to those positions, but we all shared a big ole collective slap in the face when they were by-passed in favor of a retired pilot from somewhere else.

Well, slap in the face or not, they don't ask us, and we don't have much say. But when they turn around after rejecting every pilot with a seniority number and give that same outsider a seniority number, now they're monkeying with our Collective Bargaining Agreement. A Seniority Number is a privilege, not some video game badge they can just pass out like candy.


We have a finite number of training resources. Simulators, classrooms, instructors, hours in the day, days in the week. A place in the pipeline is a place in the pipeline, and when a token figurehead is assigned a place in the pipeline, a REAL pilot is denied that place.


And before you argue it's just one spot, just one seniority number, let me remind you that I happen to be intimately aware of how only one number can make the difference between going to Anchorage or going to Hong Kong. To me, seniority is a BIG deal.






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Did he have to test day 1 and day 2? Did some computer program
Tell him that he did, or did not make it?

AWACS

 

This is a great point... I would imagine w all of the scheckles he makes, if he pays, it would lower the dues for the rest of us by at least a half a percent...

 

Seems far more likely that RL or TL, however he chooses to be addressed, does not have 100% of his FedEx income subjected to ALPA dues calculations. No idea what kind of kung fu is applied to what he makes when he actually flies the line on a revenue trip versus his other salary, stock options, etc. that he makes and would have made if he never chose to go down this path toward line pilot.
I'd be very surprised if 100% of his "scheckles" are subjected to ALPA dues.