2% pay raise in Oct 2020
09-10-2020, 12:19 PM
#341
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Originally Posted by kronan
Zero additional Reserve Lines will go to it.
Unless you have some secret information that indicates the Company feels they need more flexibility somehow, and sees the need to push to modify the percentage of known R days required in the Bidpack to something less than 80%.
Survey's open. All it would take to go back to the nirvana of Pre-CBA2015 is requiring all known R days be published in the bidpack, return the R day conflict drop to CBA 2011 language (Whole Blocks didn't drop for conflicts), and allow Involuntary Conversions of Reserve Lines.
Involuntary Conversions were rare, but they sucked huge.
And I could certainly be wrong here, but I think more people like having the easier R day drops and the ability to use the View\Add window to improve their lot in life than are upset over the reduction in Reserve Lines.
Unless you have some secret information that indicates the Company feels they need more flexibility somehow, and sees the need to push to modify the percentage of known R days required in the Bidpack to something less than 80%.
Survey's open. All it would take to go back to the nirvana of Pre-CBA2015 is requiring all known R days be published in the bidpack, return the R day conflict drop to CBA 2011 language (Whole Blocks didn't drop for conflicts), and allow Involuntary Conversions of Reserve Lines.
Involuntary Conversions were rare, but they sucked huge.
And I could certainly be wrong here, but I think more people like having the easier R day drops and the ability to use the View\Add window to improve their lot in life than are upset over the reduction in Reserve Lines.
Thanks for providing real information on what issues we had prior to 2015 and what issues the contract resolved. I appreciate the facts you provide as apposition to the gripping others provide.
09-10-2020, 01:46 PM
#342
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Originally Posted by noworkallplay
stop telling the truth. Stop talking about the gains we have made and the issues that have been fixed in our last 2 contracts. Start talking in generalities and acting like all we have done is gotten screwed. It’s unbelievable to hear those who have been around for 15-20 years who forget about the issues 15-20 years ago that no longer exists. Well guess what the survey is open so maybe they will ask to go back to pre 2015 cba.
Thanks for providing real information on what issues we had prior to 2015 and what issues the contract resolved. I appreciate the facts you provide as apposition to the gripping others provide.
Thanks for providing real information on what issues we had prior to 2015 and what issues the contract resolved. I appreciate the facts you provide as apposition to the gripping others provide.
09-11-2020, 10:30 AM
#343
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Stop telling the truth. Stop talking about the gains we have made and the issues that have been fixed in our last 2 contracts. Start talking in generalities and acting like all we have done is gotten screwed. It’s unbelievable to hear those who have been around for 15-20 years who forget about the issues 15-20 years ago that no longer exists. Well guess what the survey is open so maybe they will ask to go back to pre 2015 CBA.
Thanks for providing real information on what issues we had prior to 2015 and what issues the contract resolved. I appreciate the facts you provide as apposition to the gripping others provide.
Thanks for providing real information on what issues we had prior to 2015 and what issues the contract resolved. I appreciate the facts you provide as apposition to the gripping others provide.
The company is going to expand the use of PBS. They'll dangle another carrot in front of our faces to "fix" an issue they created and we'll bite off on it.
Since the internet lives forever, I will gladly say "I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG and YOU ALL WERE RIGHT" if we go without an increase in PBS. Right now the bidpacks are running 1/5 - 1/3 PBS and varies month to month, equipment to equipment.
What basis do you have that we will hold the line to PBS? We didn't last contract.
09-11-2020, 11:26 AM
#344
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
If they are not corrupt, why did they refuse to show ALPA national the books to allow access to the master contingency fund?
It doesn’t help us to impune the character of an entire body, especially on hearsay. Is it even the same 15 people then versus now? It’s doesn’t help to generalize all of them in that manner. I’m not sure why that doesn’t make sense to you?
09-11-2020, 11:28 AM
#345
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
He's telling the truth. He just ignores or disagrees that in exchange for what he had "fixed" (company made problem) we now have PBS on property and they've taken away some reserve lines.
The company is going to expand the use of PBS. They'll dangle another carrot in front of our faces to "fix" an issue they created and we'll bite off on it.
Since the internet lives forever, I will gladly say "I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG and YOU ALL WERE RIGHT" if we go without an increase in PBS. Right now the bidpacks are running 1/5 - 1/3 PBS and varies month to month, equipment to equipment.
What basis do you have that we will hold the line to PBS? We didn't last contract.
The company is going to expand the use of PBS. They'll dangle another carrot in front of our faces to "fix" an issue they created and we'll bite off on it.
Since the internet lives forever, I will gladly say "I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG and YOU ALL WERE RIGHT" if we go without an increase in PBS. Right now the bidpacks are running 1/5 - 1/3 PBS and varies month to month, equipment to equipment.
What basis do you have that we will hold the line to PBS? We didn't last contract.
09-11-2020, 11:35 AM
#346
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Originally Posted by MEMA300
KISS
A-fund as is
maxed b-plan with cash over cap.
retirement healthcare improvement (since they refuse to keep a-plan growing with growth of income which was as it was intended)
NO PBS, schedules are already bad enuf.
3-4 % raise.
Thats it. My daughter in HS could negotiate that in few weeks. Go into section 6 with a vote...old school.
A-fund as is
maxed b-plan with cash over cap.
retirement healthcare improvement (since they refuse to keep a-plan growing with growth of income which was as it was intended)
NO PBS, schedules are already bad enuf.
3-4 % raise.
Thats it. My daughter in HS could negotiate that in few weeks. Go into section 6 with a vote...old school.
Your aim is low, especially on pay rates.
09-11-2020, 11:40 AM
#347
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
With hard line bidding and conflicts how else would you cover those trips? I guess you could have a 2 day turnaround after the conflict input window and then make a bunch of lines out of the conflict trips and then have a 2nd bid but that process would take 7 days minimum. So do we make the total bid window longer?
There are many airlines still using hard line bidding. Maybe we should look at what they do?
09-11-2020, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
With hard line bidding and conflicts how else would you cover those trips? I guess you could have a 2 day turnaround after the conflict input window and then make a bunch of lines out of the conflict trips and then have a 2nd bid but that process would take 7 days minimum. So do we make the total bid window longer?
The window for bidding, conflicts, adds and secondaries is long enough as it is. And it could be reduced significantly.
But we gave all of that up in C2015 and we've yet to see the new software. The company imposed the SLG (which isn't what was agreed upon) on us without a peep from FDX ALPA.
So, how many more lines will we give up for efficiencies, ease of bidding and any other carrots they throw at us?
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