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Old 09-13-2020, 02:59 PM
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Lots of whining here. We have the survey that will be ignored. It was nice to find out our MEC gave up our first-class tickets etc. While we secretly hold the crew who sued and won in high regard. We do nothing but keep voting in our corrupt MEC officials. Vote their asses out. Post the lawsuit up in the AOC to let them know their asses do not smell like roses and the fear they have of ALPA reeks. Go ahead and call me a troller, but bets you won't pull your head out of your rear to even take a second to see how divided we are and how corrupt our MEC is. If $500 lunches with management is not a indicator then what is. I am willing to bet we vote to screw ourselves over again. We get paid no matter what so what the hell does it matter if we wait a little longer instead and stick together-but we will not.
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Old 09-15-2020, 05:17 PM
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I just want to stop in and say

REAL TIME TRIP TRADING!

or at least limitations on how long they can take to process a trip. I’ve been waiting over three hours for a trade request to be looked at.
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Old 09-15-2020, 09:43 PM
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REAL TIME TRIP TRADING!...
Agree.

Now, fill out the survey and email your rep.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:35 PM
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ALWAYS VOTE DOWN 1st TA. ALWAYS! Dont even bother with the printing on paper and sending out. PDF it so its easy to delete.
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Old 09-16-2020, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Spot13 View Post
Lots of whining here. We have the survey that will be ignored. It was nice to find out our MEC gave up our first-class tickets etc. While we secretly hold the crew who sued and won in high regard. We do nothing but keep voting in our corrupt MEC officials. Vote their asses out. Post the lawsuit up in the AOC to let them know their asses do not smell like roses and the fear they have of ALPA reeks. Go ahead and call me a troller, but bets you won't pull your head out of your rear to even take a second to see how divided we are and how corrupt our MEC is. If $500 lunches with management is not a indicator then what is. I am willing to bet we vote to screw ourselves over again. We get paid no matter what so what the hell does it matter if we wait a little longer instead and stick together-but we will not.
They didn't win. ALPA national settled. The crew who sued did so, not for money, but to get the truth out there. And remember, it's not like the money was coming from pilot dues. (Not sure exactly where it came from, but it didn't come from pilots)
Shortfall2015's gone as a website, but we never did read a plaintiff's settlement, did we.
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Old 09-16-2020, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MEMA300 View Post
ALWAYS VOTE DOWN 1st TA. ALWAYS! Dont even bother with the printing on paper and sending out. PDF it so its easy to delete.
THIS!!!!

Negotiating 101....would you ever take the first offer that a car dealer slid across the table? There's always a better offer than the first!!
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dspilot View Post
THIS!!!!

Negotiating 101....would you ever take the first offer that a car dealer slid across the table? There's always a better offer than the first!!
I agree with the statement Of not excepting a car dealers first offer, but it’s not comparing like to like.

The TA isn’t the companies first offer. They negotiated back and forth with the negotiating committee. What we see isn’t (shouldn’t be) their first offer. It’s the culmination of back and forth negotiating.
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Old 09-16-2020, 09:37 AM
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I agree with the statement Of not excepting a car dealers first offer, but it’s not comparing like to like.

The TA isn’t the companies first offer. They negotiated back and forth with the negotiating committee. What we see isn’t (shouldn’t be) their first offer. It’s the culmination of back and forth negotiating.
If it’s good enough, it’s going to get a “yes” from me. I don’t care if it’s the first or fifth TA. The last one just wasn’t. I think most of the 2015 “yes” voters realize this now.
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:52 AM
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I agree with the statement Of not excepting a car dealers first offer, but it’s not comparing like to like.
When I am in shops in counties where haggling is the norm, I always ask how much. No matter what they say, I wince in pain and say Oh, No! That usually gets them to a new starting point 10-15% lower. Then I start negotiating. I have done that for all sizes of items.
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Old 09-16-2020, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dspilot View Post
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Negotiating 101....would you ever take the first offer that a car dealer slid across the table? There's always a better offer than the first!!
Its not the first offer when we get it to vote on. Hints the term negotiations and the years it takes to get us something to vote on. The NC does the negotiations with the car dealer and we just come in at the end and say yes or no. If we say no we drive our car we arrived in off the lot and return to try again in a few months.
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