CAN Layover
11-29-2020 | 07:09 PM
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All kidding aside, how many more indignities are this crew force/industry going to accept in the interest of moving freight out of China. Fedex management seems happy enough to pass along pronouncements of ever intrusive and ridiculous requirements and our company, our management, eager to make big money off the backs of its front line employees, just passes along this garbage. I know those of us lucky enough to be senior or not on a fleet that goes to Asia can avoid this stupidity, but not all can. I wish our union would grow a pair and just say No, and strongly advise all to do the same. I know without a formal agreement by the company to do so, some of our pilots will continue to just fly into China and accept the conditions forced on them. I know Fedex's answer, if forced by lack of willing participants, would be just to open their wallet and pay more, but we are not even doing that. It's time to say, enough is enough.
I predict we will soon just stop CAN layovers, but continue to operate in China.
11-29-2020 | 07:34 PM
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The Chinese want us out. The level of harassment will just keep clicking up, till Fedex says uncle. Just move the hub to CRK or KIX for long haul flights. Intra-Asia can all be done out of CAN as hub turns. Stay on the planes, any mx issues, divert to tpe. But all of this is a pipe dream anyway.
11-29-2020 | 07:37 PM
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The Chinese want us out. The level of harassment will just keep clicking up, till Fedex says uncle. Just move the hub to CRK or KIX for long haul flights. Intra-Asia can all be done out of CAN as hub turns. Stay on the planes, any mx issues, divert to tpe. But all of this is a pipe dream anyway.
I’m not sure how anyone that has ever been to CRK and more importantly, knows anything about the current political state of the Philippines could see that place as a viable alternative to CAN.
11-29-2020 | 07:53 PM
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Ah, yes. CRK, with one end of the only runway that can’t even be used at night, that requires a 180 back taxi. In a country run by a psychopath.
I’m not sure how anyone that has ever been to CRK and more importantly, knows anything about the current political state of the Philippines could see that place as a viable alternative to CAN.
I’m not sure how anyone that has ever been to CRK and more importantly, knows anything about the current political state of the Philippines could see that place as a viable alternative to CAN.
11-29-2020 | 08:03 PM
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Ah, yes. CRK, with one end of the only runway that can’t even be used at night, that requires a 180 back taxi. In a country run by a psychopath.
I’m not sure how anyone that has ever been to CRK and more importantly, knows anything about the current political state of the Philippines could see that place as a viable alternative to CAN.
I’m not sure how anyone that has ever been to CRK and more importantly, knows anything about the current political state of the Philippines could see that place as a viable alternative to CAN.
11-30-2020 | 04:55 AM
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All kidding aside, how many more indignities are this crew force/industry going to accept in the interest of moving freight out of China. Fedex management seems happy enough to pass along pronouncements of ever intrusive and ridiculous requirements and our company, our management, eager to make big money off the backs of its front line employees, just passes along this garbage. I know those of us lucky enough to be senior or not on a fleet that goes to Asia can avoid this stupidity, but not all can. I wish our union would grow a pair and just say No, and strongly advise all to do the same. I know without a formal agreement by the company to do so, some of our pilots will continue to just fly into China and accept the conditions forced on them. I know Fedex's answer, if forced by lack of willing participants, would be just to open their wallet and pay more, but we are not even doing that. It's time to say, enough is enough.
11-30-2020 | 10:32 AM
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And the Point Is???
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11-30-2020 | 11:38 AM
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All kidding aside, how many more indignities are this crew force/industry going to accept in the interest of moving freight out of China. Fedex management seems happy enough to pass along pronouncements of ever intrusive and ridiculous requirements and our company, our management, eager to make big money off the backs of its front line employees, just passes along this garbage. I know those of us lucky enough to be senior or not on a fleet that goes to Asia can avoid this stupidity, but not all can. I wish our union would grow a pair and just say No, and strongly advise all to do the same. I know without a formal agreement by the company to do so, some of our pilots will continue to just fly into China and accept the conditions forced on them. I know Fedex's answer, if forced by lack of willing participants, would be just to open their wallet and pay more, but we are not even doing that. It's time to say, enough is enough.
Although IMO, let's not hinder the Corp. from making big bucks, which they are - but rather, get our share of that pie as the front-line guys/gals dealing with the constantly-changing stupidity and BS requirements.
Anyone from FDXALPA reading these forums? Planning and strategizing on how we can join the Corp. on cashing in on our share of the increased action?
There needs to be, at bare minimum, a 50% override on trips that deal with these conditions. Essentially, all international trips until this nonsense abates.
The Corp. is making premium dollars while moving freight under these conditions. As frontline employees, we should be as well.
11-30-2020 | 02:50 PM
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Anyone from FDXALPA reading these forums? Planning and strategizing on how we can join the Corp. on cashing in on our share of the increased action?
There needs to be, at bare minimum, a 50% override on trips that deal with these conditions. Essentially, all international trips until this nonsense abates.
There needs to be, at bare minimum, a 50% override on trips that deal with these conditions. Essentially, all international trips until this nonsense abates.
Even if we all got 150% or 200% for putting up with the BS that China is pumping out, I feel we are just selling out our grievances for a bigger W2. I get it, it is the Fedex way. Just give me more money and I'll put on the hazmat suit or even a clown costume, if that's what they want, as long as we get the $$$$$$$$$. Sadly, it doesn't take that much $$$ to get many to do it.
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