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12-04-2021, 05:48 PM
#261
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
DL guy here.
Most of our Advanced Entitlements (AE) come with a 210 day conversion window. Our PWA does allow one AE per calendar year to have a 365 conversion window, but only if that AE contains displacements.
As Gone Flying said, we have no ability to block off a certain week or two in the 210/365 window, they can train us over awardee vacation, and worse case only 15 days noticed to start training.
Most of our Advanced Entitlements (AE) come with a 210 day conversion window. Our PWA does allow one AE per calendar year to have a 365 conversion window, but only if that AE contains displacements.
As Gone Flying said, we have no ability to block off a certain week or two in the 210/365 window, they can train us over awardee vacation, and worse case only 15 days noticed to start training.
FedEx guy here so pardon me but can you translate delta into FedEx and explain advanced entitlements and PWA? I’m going to guess the latter is what translates into FedEx as the contract or the CBA, collective bargaining agreement.
12-04-2021, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
The system works very well for numerous guy checking out as Captains in under 2 years. It also works well for the senior group who want to wait until the end of the bid to move up in seniority prior to activation. It works much better than the old system that restricted you and made you train in seniority order.
Maybe it does work well for numerous guy, whoever that guy is. But that doesn’t mean it cannot work better if the system bid didn’t create training letters of 15-24 months.
12-04-2021, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
FedEx Express plans its business on a 17-month cycle (per ALPA MEC) which is why we have massive System Bids which can take up to two years to train.
12-04-2021, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
FedEx guy here so pardon me but can you translate delta into FedEx and explain advanced entitlements and PWA? I’m going to guess the latter is what translates into FedEx as the contract or the CBA, collective bargaining agreement.
PWA = Pilot Working Agreement…our contract.
12-04-2021, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
AE is when the company post open positions and the pilots bid on them in seniority order. The standard is the company has 210 days after the AE closes to convert pilots to their new category, but they can do a 365 day window once per calendar year.
PWA = Pilot Working Agreement…our contract.
PWA = Pilot Working Agreement…our contract.
And if the pilot is not in their newly awarded seat with that 210 days do they start receiving pay for that seat? I know a lot of companies have a trigger. If you’re not trained within a certain timeframe of being award a higher paying seat, then you start getting paid.
12-04-2021, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
What you said is accurate if they have previous airline experience, except it appears from looking at the most junior 757 Captain awardees LinkedIn profile that this is his first 121 airline. It is my understanding that he will need to get 1000 hours of 121 airline experience before he can upgrade. I fly about 120 hours a year so he’s going to have to work a lot harder than me to get the hours required to upgrade.
12-04-2021, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
If you are mad about FAA minimums then so be it but it’s needed. Experience in 121 operations matters. Military gets 2 for 1 credit up to 500 hours if a PIC on multi-crew multi engine AC. That rule would apply to them regardless of the bid system. Depending on what airplane said pilot is on they could have the time in 1.5 - 2 years which is needed for the experience. I trust FAA safety rules that were implemented by panels of pilots who made them.
12-05-2021, 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper
And if the pilot is not in their newly awarded seat with that 210 days do they start receiving pay for that seat? I know a lot of companies have a trigger. If you’re not trained within a certain timeframe of being award a higher paying seat, then you start getting paid.
There is also pay protection if they convert out of seniority order, so if junior Pilot B from the same AE gets converted before senior Pilot A, then Pilot A starts getting paid the new rate, even if it’s less than 210/365 days.
12-05-2021, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
...There is also pay protection if they convert out of seniority order, so if junior Pilot B from the same AE gets converted before senior Pilot A, then Pilot A starts getting paid the new rate, even if it’s less than 210/365 days.
12-05-2021, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianH
We had that in the past, it was called passover pay. We gave up passover pay for a shinny nickel, and new 24 back in '15. The new was worn off of that trade a long time ago.
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