Originally Posted by magic rat (Post 3464833)

Leadership starts from the top. When the Captains I fly with brag about he AVA and DFT they get…the newhires see it and they are gonna act accordingly. However, if they said, we’re in negations, fly your line. And if they frowned upon and mentored their crews about the task at hand, then others would fall in line, we’d be better off as a whole. But they don’t. They’re proud to show pictures of their Porsches, Indian motorcycles, brand new avionics or paint jobs of their airplanes (plural) , I was an MD FO last time and rumor has it WE FOs held the line and brought the company to its knees. This contract, I don’t see it.

That last contract made me realize we all are independent contractors, and I’m not gonna get played again. I even remember standing at the computer and a JSing CA had the balls to call CRS, right in front of everybody, and asked, “ Hello, I’m JSing out, but am available if you need me.” I mean cmon!!! Atleast go outside and call!!!

We get the contract we deserve. Period.

Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3464894)

Be part of the CHANGE. Some of us are not doing draft/AVA. MD-11 FO didn’t “bring the company to their knees” anymore than the cancellations going on now. Same song and dance. A few different actors this time.

Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3464987)

To be clear it was the ANC MD FOs that held the line.

Originally Posted by 5millionaire (Post 3465370)

I’m one to fly my BLG every month, and think all the wh0re$ out there can’t be helping….BUT…doesn’t it make sense we get our contract AFTER all the other airlines?! With pattern bargaining, it’s our turn to go after them (at least DAL and UA).

I guess my point is, if you were calling the shots, would you want a new contract right now or maybe wait a few extra months and get something better?

Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3464987)

To be clear it was the ANC MD FOs that held the line.

Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy (Post 3465474)

Given the recent proposals from United and American, I don’t think we can count on them to move the needle in any of our focused areas. Negligible pay increases that don’t pass the inflation test along with virtually no improvements to retirement from either carrier. And given their specific financial situations over the last couple years, I don’t expect them to raise the bar this time around anyway.

Originally Posted by 5millionaire (Post 3465572)

Good points. Except they haven’t gotten a real TA yet…