Bottom line is that management has to compete for pilots. So it doesn’t matter what they say. It matters what the marketplace is doing.

Ohhh the agony. “Forced” to see his posts - LOL, thanks for the laugh.

We had our own union before. We decided to join ALPA because of the funds available in a larger union. If you are one small group, you don't have the resources of a larger union.

5millionaire, the OP likes to say they are a FedEx pilot and are engaged with the union, yet continues to post things that the MEC says not to post. The OP has also admitted to flying draft in 8 of the 15 months that we have been in negotiations, but their reasons are valid and everyone else is hurting us.

Bottom line, it is an individual decision until we are allowed to enter self help. Everyone likes to tell others what to do, yet has a reason why what they are doing is ok. The contract allows us to fly draft, AVA, deviate on deadheads, sell back vacation, trip trade, pick up trips etc....

We did not crush everyones pay rates when we signed our contract in 2015. We were only a little higher than AA. Prior to our 2015 contract, we were last in pay rates behind, AA, UA, DL, and UPS. We briefly jumped ahead, only to fall behind by 10% or more. We were sold a POS TA by the union and 56% of the group fell for it because they were afraid to challenge the leadership, kind of like the OP and others.

while I echo some of your sentiment…saying it’s solely on the pilot group is inaccurate. Leadership is about getting a group of people to work towards something collectively. You can’t have it both ways. I don’t have much of an opinion about the union “leadership” and maybe there’s a reason? You can’t praise a group of “leaders” if the collective group doesn’t want to listen to them. Again, I agree there are too many independent contractor types. But in the same breath saying the leadership is strong seems like an oxymoron.

My frustration caused me to say “going forward I was going to do draft/ava”. This was out of frustration and never acted on. I made that clear in further posts. I have integrity and couldn’t live with myself acting in a scab/self serving manner. I actually have a conscious, unlike the majority in our pilot group.

You constantly spew false narratives and half truths. Amendable date was clearly the line in the sand when the union said “Now Is The Time”. Amendable date (Nov 2021) is the expiration date of our current CBA. We have picketed and still the pigs feed at the trough. Despicable.

You have consistently defended the anti unity narrative. You must be in management or a management wannabe?

Once again total compensation is much more than 10/hr more in pay rates. Many understand this because they leave UA/DL/AA for FDX constantly. Almost no one goes the other way. The other thing you’re forgetting is those Airlines bargained contracts after our 2015 contract. It seems you’re purposely leaving out the critical details. You do you which is obvious.

NoWork - I noticed you’re the second person today to throw out the ‘Scab’ word correlating it to persons who have flown extra. You act like you have such high integrity and are morally superior to everyone else, and yet you’ve by your own admission done the exact same thing, so evidently the rules only apply to everyone else - what a joke you are.

Anyone who knows anything knows what a Scab is … it isn’t even remotely close to what you’re insinuating, so don’t go twisting the definition for shock value. I’d also suggest being very careful when you start calling fellow pilots (if you even are a FedEx pilot as opposed to a troll in your parents basement) Scabs … Karma is a real thing.

I’d suggest to the moderators that anyone on here who calls someone a scab (or even insinuates they are) and can’t clearly prove that the person has crossed a picket line of pilots who are on strike should have their account suspended … starting with NoWork. That’s about as bad of a word as you can call an airline pilot … it shouldn’t be used lightly.

The hornets nest has been poked and the draft/ava defenders are swarming :D

Same names every time like clock work

The management stooges are on red alert!!!

I would venture to guess the same types are those who wouldn’t think twice about crossing that struck work line if premium pay was involved. They would claim “it’s my decision to do as such”… History proves this.

SOUND FAMILIAR???

The thought process and logic is all the same to them. Me first and F everyone else.

Moderators … Get rid of this clown NOW!

General Conduct

• Keep it professional.
  • Remember your manners when communicating with others.

• Harassment of any kind is not acceptable.
  • Do not shame, degrade, insult, bully, or otherwise call out others.

NoWork violates the APC conduct rules literally with every other post they make. Why is he allowed to do so with impunity? Enough already!

Heed your own statements! You and your group of defenders call names, claim others are not pilots and criticize other viewpoints. Sounds like you and your group has thin skin not others having unprofessional behavior. You meet the definitions you have provided above. You are literally “calling out” to have people removed for sharing reality. Your buddies are “calling out” that FDX pilots are “not FedEx pilots”. All those things meet the definition of unprofessional.

There's moderators here? This whole section is an embarrassment to our pilot group and frankly I’m sorry that I even participate because it devolves to crap like this. I originally made some posts to counter the same narrative that is pushed here but that’s a waste of time, clearly.
I’d delete my account if there was an option. I’ll just log off instead, have fun