yes yes yes!!!!

if you goto any airline’s thread on APC, this message should be universally applied.

It seems to me that you simply disagree on the manner in which the MEC operates and communicates with the NC. Do you honestly think that reps don’t talk to individual NC members? The fact that the MEC hasn’t changed course is positive indication that they agree with the direction.

You are describing passive observers. I agree.

We need active leaders.






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Says the poster who disparages constantly…… Do you not read your own posts?

I simply stated the reality, nothing more. If you see that as disparaging then you can’t handle the truth.

I will continue to fly LESS THAN my line! I like the extra time off.

Says the hypocrite.

Posted 06-25-2022:Posted 06-25-2022:Posted 06-26-2022:Ignorance and hypocrisy abounds.






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I wouldn’t say they are passive observers. If they didn’t agree with the direction, they would give new direction. It’s just a difference in leadership styles. Some like to micromanage and others let their people do what they do until more direction is needed. The MEC seems content with current path but that doesn’t mean they are mere observers.

You may not want to SAY they are passive observers because deep down you KNOW that's not what they should be, but you keep describing them as passive observers.

The union has no greater purpose or more sacred responsibility than negotiating and protecting the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and we elect representatives to the governing body responsible for accomplishing that purpose, the Master Executive Council. The MEC elects officers to work FOR them, and the MEC has oversight of committees that are tasked to accomplish specific tasks in accordance with the guidance of the MEC. Neither the officers nor the committee members have the same authority or responsibility that we place on our elected representatives.

The Negotiating Committee reached the end of scheduled meetings without a TA. That's a pretty important juncture, in my opinion. Important decisions were made about the next steps that should have been made by the MEC. Should the MEC have taken into account the opinions and advice of the Negotiating Committee and the Strategic Planning and Strike Committee? Absolutely. Should the decision-making have been deferred to them? Absolutely not.

You seem to think it's OK for the MEC to let the committees do the decision-making, and the MEC will speak up if they disagree. Think about how that would have looked to have the committees decide, and announce publicly, that we'll schedule more meetings and schedule a picketing event, and then have the MEC come behind them and say, "Not so fast, we have a different plan." The chaos that would have created essentially ties the MEC's hands to go along with what the committees had already announced. That's a major problem of trying to lead from behind.

I usually speak of the MEC as a body because that's the organization that should be leading. However, it's important to realize too that there are individuals with differing opinions within that body. Some individuals recognize the need for leadership and want to lean forward, but there seems to be a fear that doing so will upset the hot tub harmony of the group. Unfortunately, while their collective fear of passing gas in the hot tub means the surface won't be disturbed by noxious bubbles, they can only brag about internal harmony, not about a crewforce that has been prepared and motivated to fight for the contract we deserve. They're getting along with each other, and with The Company, and that's about all. Meanwhile, The Company is content to stall and delay and turn more and more retirees out to pasture every week with a 1998 pension.

It's time to stop sitting back and watching committees placate The Company and stand up, start taking the responsibility of leadership seriously.



By the way, there are apparently more free rooms available for the NYC picketing event on September 26th. I have an extra blazer to loan if someone needs it.






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What more do you want the union to do? They have been clear for months on what they are asking from us. Most have choose to be selfish subcontractors. Place the blame on the proper people. It’s us as a pilot group.

Who fly their awarded lines.