Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3495493)

TA by end of September. Ratified by first week of December.

Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 3495006)

You may not want to SAY they are passive observers because deep down you KNOW that's not what they should be, but you keep describing them as passive observers.

The union has no greater purpose or more sacred responsibility than negotiating and protecting the Collective Bargaining Agreement, and we elect representatives to the governing body responsible for accomplishing that purpose, the Master Executive Council. The MEC elects officers to work FOR them, and the MEC has oversight of committees that are tasked to accomplish specific tasks in accordance with the guidance of the MEC. Neither the officers nor the committee members have the same authority or responsibility that we place on our elected representatives.

The Negotiating Committee reached the end of scheduled meetings without a TA. That's a pretty important juncture, in my opinion. Important decisions were made about the next steps that should have been made by the MEC. Should the MEC have taken into account the opinions and advice of the Negotiating Committee and the Strategic Planning and Strike Committee? Absolutely. Should the decision-making have been deferred to them? Absolutely not.

You seem to think it's OK for the MEC to let the committees do the decision-making, and the MEC will speak up if they disagree. Think about how that would have looked to have the committees decide, and announce publicly, that we'll schedule more meetings and schedule a picketing event, and then have the MEC come behind them and say, "Not so fast, we have a different plan." The chaos that would have created essentially ties the MEC's hands to go along with what the committees had already announced. That's a major problem of trying to lead from behind.

I usually speak of the MEC as a body because that's the organization that should be leading. However, it's important to realize too that there are individuals with differing opinions within that body. Some individuals recognize the need for leadership and want to lean forward, but there seems to be a fear that doing so will upset the hot tub harmony of the group. Unfortunately, while their collective fear of passing gas in the hot tub means the surface won't be disturbed by noxious bubbles, they can only brag about internal harmony, not about a crewforce that has been prepared and motivated to fight for the contract we deserve. They're getting along with each other, and with The Company, and that's about all. Meanwhile, The Company is content to stall and delay and turn more and more retirees out to pasture every week with a 1998 pension.

It's time to stop sitting back and watching committees placate The Company and stand up, start taking the responsibility of leadership seriously.



By the way, there are apparently more free rooms available for the NYC picketing event on September 26th. I have an extra blazer to loan if someone needs it.






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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot (Post 3495503)

Might want to check CNBC.

Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3495564)

Cramer is a joke. Also, if you think the top brass haven't seen this coming and figured that into negotiations months ago, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3495506)

I was about to ask to put a word count maximum on your posts until I read passing passing gas and noxious bubbles. Fart jokes, an old childhood past time.

Anyway, I disagree with the number one priority of the union, which is actually safety. I can’t take advantage of the contract if I’m dead. But I digress.

I don’t know about you, but if I’m making a comment like, the MEC is a passive observer or they are not a passive observer, it’s because I say exactly what I meant to say. So please don’t go assume that I would say something like that if I didn’t mean it. Maybe you do that sort of thing but don’t lump me in with that.

I would not say the MEC is a passive observers, Period.

I’m pretty sure your characterization of how the MEC is working on this is wrong. Im pretty sure that the NC does not decide to unilaterally extend negotiations in a vacuum without the ok from the MEC chair. In any case, at any time, if the MEC as a whole doesn’t like the direction, they can change it or the chairman or both. They can do that, right now as I write this. Or tomorrow or literally anytime they feel like it. The fact that they haven’t is proof that they agree with the current direction.

Again, it just sounds to me like you don’t like the leadership style. That’s ok but it doesn’t mean that they are asleep at the wheel.

Originally Posted by HDdrivr (Post 3495523)

So if anyone is following national news the RAILROADS you know the ones that cause this silly law RLA we fall under just got a 24% raise to avert a strike. I am not saying what the NC has or has NOT done but if it is anything less than 30% they will look like the UAL NC, the NC and the company will be facing one mad disgruntled group of pilots. Hope they shot for more than 24%.
BTW funny the message the union just put out about A350 being automated for single pilot, I called 8 months ago to the union warning them to protect that in these negotiations

I will show call logs if needed. Hope they were smart enough to see this.
HD

Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3495564)

Cramer is a joke. Also, if you think the top brass haven't seen this coming and figured that into negotiations months ago, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3495595)

If by top brass you mean top brass of Company, I believe you are 100% correct. The bewildering thing is why didn't the top brass at the union figure that in as well?

Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3495595)

If by top brass you mean top brass of Company, I believe you are 100% correct. The bewildering thing is why didn't the top brass at the union figure that in as well?