Tell me, what was the hurry to agree to more sessions? The last session was Thursday, Sept 1. Unless they agreed to meet on Friday, Sept 2 because they were so close to getting a deal done, why not speak with the MEC first. The next business day after that was Tuesday, Sept 6. Even in the NC comm, it was stated that the company hadn't addressed one of the two remaining sections in the previously added three days of negotiations.

You seem to be suggesting that it doesn't matter who makes the decision as long as the same decision would be made any way. Kind of like you going to the back of the plane and leaving your FO up front to fly and handle the radios. When you get back, they inform you that the weather was below minimums at your destination and your FO decided to divert to your alternate. They have already programmed the FMS for the routing that ATC gave them and they already sent the divert message to the company. Maybe you would have made the same decision, but would you be happy that your FO did it without consulting with you first? Well, the MEC seems fine with allowing the NC to make those types of decisions. So, who is leading? Who is in charge?

Is this a conspiracy? You speak as if you have inside information. You act as if you are the all knowing. Fairly questionable for some APC post.

Since you appear to have every answer and seem to always have a way to do it better how about volunteering? Aren’t a few positions up for elections? I am sure someone of your stature would do such great things. I am sure you would produce substantial better and different results. Arm chair QB!

You continue to show no real knowledge about how the process works. That’s okay, but you should stay out of the world of speculation and this my friend is a Trojan horse if there ever was one. (Raised by TC- the same guy who tried unsuccessfully to recall 3 sitting reps who are all doing a terrific job BTW)

The Negotiating Committee has the UNILATERAL right and obligation to conclude negotiations with the Company. It’s in the ALPA Constitution and By-Laws if you need the source document (Section 40). (But why use facts for any argument?) I’m certain they have the right to add additional meeting dates to the calendar - just as they have been doing. I’m sure if the MEC had some hard “no further than” idea, they would be the first to share that with the Committee.

Trojan Horse. Move on.

Says the guy who just yesterday didn't know when the amendable date was!!!

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I expect the NC to conclude negotiations with the company. Maybe you think that means something other than what it really means. So when the NC concludes those negotiations, then what happens? Do they send a TA to the membership directly? Does the NC decide that it is time to go to the NMB? Seems to me you are the one who not only doesn't understand our contract, but how negotiations and the MEC are suppose to work.

You got me!! Wow. Opened. Is that better? Point remains the same.

Fixed it for you.

Don’t waste your time with Pinseeker. He will never admit when he’s wrong even when you provide him with a definition. He is still trying to figure out what early openers are and how that is defined even when I sent him the definition and proved him wrong. He is all knowing and always has something to complain about. He would do so much better than everybody else but yet it appears he never volunteers. Just your standard armchair quarterback.

His assessment of what has happened is spot on. If you don't believe it, accept the challenge he gave to FXLAX and contact your block rep.​​
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I assume you meant that to be an ad hominem attack. You do know, I'm certain, that whatever I've done in the past, good or bad, has no bearing on what is transpiring now and is irrelevant to the claims you're making. If you can't make your points on their merits, maybe you should re-examine what you believe to be facts.



Are you sure about that? Pretty tricky since one of them is no longer a sitting rep. :eek:




Sure. "Nothing to see here, move along." "Shut up and color." "Trust us." "Stay in your lane." "We're smarter than you are, we'll let you know when we want to hear your opinion, and then we'll give you your opinion."


Please, save your insults for someone else.

Oh, and please report back to us with your Block Rep's response. Remember, though, meeting minutes will be published if there was a meeting.






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Tell us again what your current volunteer job is? Company mouthpiece? (I have a few other guesses, but they aren't printable in mixed company.)






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If he's wrong, it should be very easy to disprove his assertions. Simply tell us the date and time of the MEC meeting or briefing that occurred between the conclusion of negotiations on Sep 1 and the Negotiator's Notepad on Sep 3.

When you are ultimately forced to admit we are correct, does that mean you'll vote for us in one of those elections? Will you be stepping up to volunteer so you can shed your own "arm chair QB" status?






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August? How about May? How about last November? If the MEC was being kept abreast of the negotiations progress as the amendable date approached and then passed, why were they satisfied to let pilots assume everything was going OK? Why was there no attempt to educate the membership and warm them up to the likelihood of having to take steps to convince The Company of our resolve? When negotiating sessions fail to yield a TA, there are more options for the MEC to consider than just add more days of meetings. That choice, that decision, should be made by the representatives we elect, not by a committee chair.


What is directed, whether it be a meeting or meetings, or informational picketing, or employing any one of a plethora of other tools at their disposal, should be just that -- DIRECTED -- by the MEC, not any committee chair. So, good, you got the first part correct.



YES!


Oops, you ran out of logic there.






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