I just meant that the MEC chairman, as part of the negotiating committee, would be in on all aspects of any table positions passed. That is in context of my comment that MEC reps probably are in constant communication with the NC, which includes the MEC chairman for the purposes of information. So the reps’ communication with the MEC chairman would also inform the reps in current direction of negotiations. Meaning that there is probably a lot of information flowing amongst the reps, MEC chairman, and the NC in order to get a pulse of the matter and decide to do go in a new direction. All to say that the characterization that they are passive observers is almost impossible to believe.

TA???? Rumors???
 

I don’t think the pay rate percentage increase is relevant to our situation.

I believe the relevant part that should interest us are: 1)that they were released to the cool down period despite the economic consequences of a possible strike, 2)the establishment of a PEB by the president, 3)the willingness of congressional republicans to impose the PEB recommendations, 4)the democrats blocking it, and 5) the same PEB recommendations being used by the administration as the basis for the deal made at the table anyway.

Of particular interest to me is that Senator Sanders blocked the republicans’ bill that would’ve imposed the PEB recommendations. Which the Biden administration essentially forced the union negotiators to take.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...pt-labor-deal/

But it may not be over yet as all the unions have to vote on this proposal. So we may yet see congress involved?

it better be near that range

I'm pretty frustrated right now. What excuse is that to engage in harmful and destructive actions? None. Your frustration did not excuse your threats, but it did expose your true character, or rather the lack thereof.



You have a conscious? I assume you mean conscience. You have integrity? Apparently your conscience and integrity are situational rather than absolute, as you were so comfortable tossing them aside because you were ... frustrated. Yeah, well there are plenty of others around here who are frustrated with the direction we've been led ... or not led, as it were.

You continue to blame the pilots but refuse to hold the leadership accountable:

The message the pilot group has received has been ambiguous at best, and certainly has not communicated any need for anyone to interrupt their normal daily lives. As recently as the last Negotiations Update we were told progress continues to be made. In the previous Update we were told, they'll let us know if they become deadlocked. We were told we did not need to host a picketing event on September 1st along with all of the other ALPA properties in Section 6 negotiations because they anticipated we would have a TA by then. We were told we might have an event of some sort in September, but only if we didn't have a TA by then, and they expected us to have a TA. Even when we first heard in April, "The Time is NOW" the date for a picketing event was not announced until over a week later, and that date was over a month later still. New definition for "Now"?!? Where is the urgency?

Nothing has been done to warm the crew force up to the proposition that we will actually have to do something to convince The Company that we demand a contract NOW. You can't make a pot of water INSTANTLY boil by flipping on the gas. It takes time and energy, and so far the flame hasn't even been lit. So, we both see cold, uninvolved, unconcerned pilots. You blame them, while I see a failure of leadership to light the flame to even start warming the pot.

I'm confident there are many pilots who would have loved to participate in the picketing event scheduled to be held in NYC on Sep 26, but they were not given the opportunity to bid around that date and are now assigned trips. It's not their fault they can't be there -- it's the MEC's fault for keeping the secret. Pray tell, what tactical advantage was gained by doing that? What did that get us other than more days and weeks of being unprepared to stand together? Whose fault is that?






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I regret It's unfortunate that I may have challenged your attention span with many words. Are you planning to read the entire TA if and when it ever arrives, or will you simply rely on the vote of the MEC or some other substitute for reading the actual long document to "inform" your vote? It will undoubtedly be long and complex.


It's clear that you would not say that.

But you continue to describe them as passive observers, and you're content with that.






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Watching this reminds me of how important our PAC contributions are. Having friends in Congress is no small deal.






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The MEC was informed about the outcome of the 1 Sep negotiations session (no TA) and the decision to add more meeting dates at the same time and by the same method as the membership, that is by reading the update published 2 days later. There were not 15 individual conversations between the reps and the MEC Chair or the NC Chair, nor was there a single conference call or meeting for them to be informed and choose the next steps. They read about it exactly the same way all of us read about it.

Even though you don't believe it is so, it seems we both agree it would be bad.






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You are already there and have been there for a while….

Did anyone see the CNBC article about the company cutting cost measures including the closing of 90 offices, hiring, and cutting flights among other things to go to the trash heap? Interesting article. They missed the earnings
target by a lot.