My exact point I have tried to make on APC NUMEROUS times. Pilots advocating for items bc they think it will be better for THEM. They may not even understand the repercussions or what the majority wants. Thank the sun gods the union does surveys and doesn’t use APC to define negotiations goals.

Let this be another example!

 

One just needs to look at JF and see all the posts about vacation footprints, this pilot group is undereducated when it comes to the CURRENT contract! They are absolutely certain it's terrible and absolutely sure that the negotiating team doesn't know what they are doing.

 

DING DING DING. It’s laughable to see some of those posts, especially from people who have been here long enough they should know the contract. Almost always self inflicted wounds due to not taking the time to read the CBA or scheduling committee articles explain how to maximize time or money. I have seen post saying PBS is good…….. Embarrassing honestly. Management laughs the entire time as they read people posts negotiating against themselves.

Our vacation system is substantially better in pay and flexibility compared to anyone else in the industry and yet some can’t even figure that out.

 

We get two hours from a management contract specialist during indoc in which he tells us the things that are important to know from his perspective. It’s not like the contract is written in a way that makes it conducive to learn. Not to mention the different interpretations that don’t live in the contract.

 

just because something works for your individual circumstances doesn't mean that it works for everyone. Also the original point was about something that wasn't negotiated nor is there any contractual language supporting it. They just do it and we accept it. The snapshot is the same so when you run your mouth about pilots being Under educated on the current contract you should make sure the things that you are referring to are actually in the contract. I started this thread mentioning that I was scouring section 25 of the contract to look for language that supported what they were doing. as of yet no one has given me any reference. If you know of something that supports rday minimum objective criteria since you're so well versed on the current contract I will be happy to hear about it which is why I made the post.

As to the negotiating committee let's just see how many concessions this TA has. I'll book mark this thread and we can come back and have the discussion then.

 

Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but try 25.D.3.c.

 

Hey thank you I did read that passage but it refers to how reserve lines can be constructed. What I think I'm looking for is a kin to no single rdays but referencing a 4 day minimum.

 

Posting on APC is “running your mouth” now.

 

The snapshot has been discussed in numerous SIG articles including just a couple of months ago. The contract implies when lines are awarded and the SWW opens in section 25. It is after view/add closes. That is when line is snapshotted and what they anticipate in the SWW. And if an individual had a question I bet a DART would answer it or wait a week on an Insite report. Just sayinnnn

 

no commenting on a post with nothing relevant to the topic posed is absolutely running your mouth.

If you want to wax on about the pilot groups contract knowledge or lack thereof why not start a thread about it? Anyone who wants to participate in that discussion can.