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Old 12-16-2022 | 12:55 PM
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FedEx management could have negotiated with our union for an industry leading contract by the end of the negotiating timeline of May 2022. Had they done this then we would likely be looking at a contract that is about to be leapfrogged by legacy airline pilots.

Since our management decided to drag out negotiations, what was negotiated and acceptable just 6 months ago, is likely now industry lagging. Based on the last negotiating committee update, it seems that they still aren’t willing to negotiate an industry leading contract and want to pay below industry standards. If that continues to be the case then I think our best path forward is to reopen/open all sections of the contract to ensure ZERO CONCESSIONS, industry leading pay/benefits, enhanced quality of life, and tighter scope clause language.

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Old 12-16-2022 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
FedEx management could have negotiated with our union for an industry leading contract by the end of the negotiating timeline of May 2022. Had they done this then we would likely be looking at a contract that is about to be leapfrogged by legacy airline pilots.

Since our management decided to drag out negotiations, what was negotiated and acceptable just 6 months ago, is likely now industry lagging. Based on the last negotiating committee update, it seems that they still aren’t willing to negotiate an industry leading contract and want to pay below industry standards. If that continues to be the case then I think our best path forward is to reopen/open all sections of the contract to ensure ZERO CONCESSIONS, industry leading pay/benefits, enhanced quality of life, and tighter scope clause language.

Just my 2 cents.
agreed. The narrow focus of our openers would have been acceptable if management had negotiated in good faith. They have not. It’s time to widen the focus and fix QOL now too. Our QOL is awful.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 01:57 PM
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Beginning in Aug 2023, a 12 year Captain at JetBlue on the A321 will be paid $330/hour compared to a 12 year widebody Captain at FedEx earning $326.51. While JetBlue does fly some redeye flights and a handful of oversees flights, the vast majority of their flying allows for a normal sleep schedule, unlike FedEx. Who should be getting paid more?

UPS’s contract extension puts their blended pay approximately $65 higher than FedEx’s widebody pay with Delta about $70 higher than UPS. We are rapidly being left in the dust. Delta was offered huge gains with no concessions. Additionally, Spirit was offered an improved contract with no concessions. There’s absolutely no reason in this negotiating environment to accept even a single concession.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
Beginning in Aug 2023, a 12 year Captain at JetBlue on the A321 will be paid $330/hour compared to a 12 year widebody Captain at FedEx earning $326.51. While JetBlue does fly some redeye flights and a handful of oversees flights, the vast majority of their flying allows for a normal sleep schedule, unlike FedEx. Who should be getting paid more?

UPS’s contract extension puts their blended pay approximately $65 higher than FedEx’s widebody pay with Delta about $70 higher than UPS. We are rapidly being left in the dust. Delta was offered huge gains with no concessions. Additionally, Spirit was offered an improved contract with no concessions. There’s absolutely no reason in this negotiating environment to accept even a single concession.
That jetblue pilot gets a redeye override too... I think it's like $13/hr?

We need to be leaving Delta in the dust, with no concessions, and we need to see considerable QOL fixes too.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 05:59 PM
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That jetblue pilot gets a redeye override too... I think it's like $13/hr?

We need to be leaving Delta in the dust, with no concessions, and we need to see considerable QOL fixes too.
and holiday pay!

too many of our guys think we have the best of everything
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Old 12-16-2022 | 06:17 PM
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Everything that Delta has and more. Index the A plan to IRS limits, full government per diem. NO doctor notes. We earned that sick leave, it should be renamed, "paid time off" and we should be able to use it as we see fit. Also, if you have a sick bank when you retire, you should be paid for 100% of it, not 50 cents on the dollar. International override needs to be doubled or tripled for all the stuff we have had to put up with the last few years and will continue to do so. Night overrides should be standard.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 06:30 PM
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Intl widebody capt 500 bucks an hour. Thats 3000k a day for flying globally, keeping a 1st class medical, passing checkrides, missing tons of family time, 30 yrs of crappy sleep, lockdowns, crappy catering oh yeah and less than 100 bucks a day for perdiem (a joke)

A plan pays bare min 200k a year maxed out, retire at 55 no penalty

1st class dead heads, everywhere.

1st Revision pays 150%

200 hour yearly sick bank, use it or lose it. The guys (flex or sick flyers) keep their full bank

Rsv has a 4 hour check in assigment window like every other airline in USA

what am i missing?

we can fly with beards?
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Old 12-16-2022 | 07:01 PM
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Don’t forget scope, substitution.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 07:23 PM
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Profit. Sharing.
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Old 12-16-2022 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Moosefire
Profit. Sharing.
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