What is an acceptable contract?
12-17-2022 | 02:53 PM
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How has this DAL contract changed everything for us? What are you so enthused about with in the DAL contract? A pay rate? A few bullet points that we have yet to see language on? Have you educated yourself on DAL's sick system and how it works? How about Vacation, Retirement, Min daily pay, Monthly Guarantee, Revision and Extension Pay, Block Override and International Override? How many DAL pilots are on those wide-body rates? How much of their career is on those rates?
I can clearly see many have G Locked on a pay rate. If we are just chasing a pay rate then are we willing to take the rest of DL's contract? We are paid based upon a pay rate multiplied by numerous other work-rules and factors. Lets not forget those ALL IMPORTANT underlying factors as I mentioned above.
I have another novel idea, although not popular on the inter-web complaint boards. Lets let the full language come out. Lets actually see the language. Then lets look at what we already have that far exceeds many of the bullets on the AIP document. It will be surprising to some, but many areas we are far superior on currently.
I can clearly see many have G Locked on a pay rate. If we are just chasing a pay rate then are we willing to take the rest of DL's contract? We are paid based upon a pay rate multiplied by numerous other work-rules and factors. Lets not forget those ALL IMPORTANT underlying factors as I mentioned above.
I have another novel idea, although not popular on the inter-web complaint boards. Lets let the full language come out. Lets actually see the language. Then lets look at what we already have that far exceeds many of the bullets on the AIP document. It will be surprising to some, but many areas we are far superior on currently.
Oh and read my posts again, I didn’t say “changed everything for us….” Said, changed the game for us, everybody…rising tide raises all ships.
12-17-2022 | 02:57 PM
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How has this DAL contract changed everything for us? What are you so enthused about with in the DAL contract? A pay rate? A few bullet points that we have yet to see language on? Have you educated yourself on DAL's sick system and how it works? How about Vacation, Retirement, Min daily pay, Monthly Guarantee, Revision and Extension Pay, Block Override and International Override? How many DAL pilots are on those wide-body rates? How much of their career is on those rates?
I can clearly see many have G Locked on a pay rate. If we are just chasing a pay rate then are we willing to take the rest of DL's contract? We are paid based upon a pay rate multiplied by numerous other work-rules and factors. Lets not forget those ALL IMPORTANT underlying factors as I mentioned above.
I have another novel idea, although not popular on the inter-web complaint boards. Lets let the full language come out. Lets actually see the language. Then lets look at what we already have that far exceeds many of the bullets on the AIP document. It will be surprising to some, but many areas we are far superior on currently.
I can clearly see many have G Locked on a pay rate. If we are just chasing a pay rate then are we willing to take the rest of DL's contract? We are paid based upon a pay rate multiplied by numerous other work-rules and factors. Lets not forget those ALL IMPORTANT underlying factors as I mentioned above.
I have another novel idea, although not popular on the inter-web complaint boards. Lets let the full language come out. Lets actually see the language. Then lets look at what we already have that far exceeds many of the bullets on the AIP document. It will be surprising to some, but many areas we are far superior on currently.
12-17-2022 | 03:03 PM
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12-17-2022 | 03:04 PM
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Furthermore, every month there are more and more new pilots coming off probation seeing their friends at other carriers getting better contracts that are going to have a voice when it comes time for a vote and they’re not going to settle for peanuts.
Just want to throw this out there one more time. JetBlue 12-year A320 Captains are about to be paid more than FedEx 12-year International B777 Captains, and that doesn’t even take into account their night override. Also, their contract was up in August of this year and they already have a TA. Think about that and what it says about how this management group values what we do.
12-17-2022 | 05:29 PM
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Just want to throw this out there one more time. JetBlue 12-year A320 Captains are about to be paid more than FedEx 12-year International B777 Captains, and that doesn’t even take into account their night override. Also, their contract was up in August of this year and they already have a TA. Think about that and what it says about how this management group values what we do.
12-17-2022 | 05:59 PM
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From: 777 Captain in Training
We didn’t carve out the new hires to sub standard retirement last go, so there’s that!
12-17-2022 | 08:03 PM
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You seem to like to tell people to educate themselves but did you educate yourself on DAL’s short call reserve? Because you talked like you knew when you didn’t. Yet you are here telling others to educate themselves when you don’t do it yourself.
Lastly, we deserve MORE than delta because we do way more than delta. So, yes, we deserve better pay rates than delta AND whatever few better QOL items we may have. Don’t sell us short!
Last edited by FXLAX; 12-17-2022 at 08:19 PM.
12-17-2022 | 09:21 PM
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Do you? For everyone else, don’t let Noworkallpinseeker distract you from what you’re worth. They are either management at training department; maybe both. They have theirs, so don’t mess it up.
12-18-2022 | 01:55 PM
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From: Tool-Box, old man
Is this their first opportunity to improve Section 28? Is it your opinion that the rest of us should suffer work rule degradation to hurry along a Section 28 improvement for those who are retiring in the near future who haven’t secured any A plan improvements since 1999?
Keep the faith,
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