What is an acceptable contract?
12-21-2022 | 04:27 AM
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Don’t feed the troll. he’s been caught lying numerous times. has had several opportunities to prove he’s a fdx pilot, and has never done so. when he gets caught, he goes back under the bridge, waiting for the weather to turn, and then he pops back out again with some outrageous costume, pining for attention.
12-21-2022 | 01:32 PM
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As mentioned on other threads, our airline management has asked for concessions on every contract and in the past it’s my opinion thar we negotiated poorly and gave away parts of our contract to get something in return. Multiple other airlines are now getting offers that are all gains no concessions. Our unions negotiating committee updates have made it clear that once again our management has asked for many concessions in nearly all, if not in every single section that was opened by either party.
One major worrying item is that management sought concessions with our scope clause. While we don’t have the notes or any language for what has been agreed upon, the earnings call should make it clear that management wants to outsource much of our flying. We need strong scope language and I for one am not willing to accept any concessions. We worked hard and made many sacrifices during the pandemic, which allowed for record profits and record growth for our airline. We did that only to be insulted and indirectly threatened by FedEx executive Mike Lenz on the earnings call. He said and I quote, “there will be cyclical ups and downs. But as we come out of the current circumstances when it comes back, it would come back in a different way, and we would be using less of our own Purple tail lift and more of partner-lift in order to flow traffic in the most efficient manner possible.”
This should be seen as a shot across the bow for us to get serious and to unify in order to get the contract that we have earned and deserve. It could just be typical shenanigans from our management to scare us into accepting a substandard contract, or it could be a serious threat on our jobs. Either way it is unacceptable.
One major worrying item is that management sought concessions with our scope clause. While we don’t have the notes or any language for what has been agreed upon, the earnings call should make it clear that management wants to outsource much of our flying. We need strong scope language and I for one am not willing to accept any concessions. We worked hard and made many sacrifices during the pandemic, which allowed for record profits and record growth for our airline. We did that only to be insulted and indirectly threatened by FedEx executive Mike Lenz on the earnings call. He said and I quote, “there will be cyclical ups and downs. But as we come out of the current circumstances when it comes back, it would come back in a different way, and we would be using less of our own Purple tail lift and more of partner-lift in order to flow traffic in the most efficient manner possible.”
This should be seen as a shot across the bow for us to get serious and to unify in order to get the contract that we have earned and deserve. It could just be typical shenanigans from our management to scare us into accepting a substandard contract, or it could be a serious threat on our jobs. Either way it is unacceptable.
12-21-2022 | 02:04 PM
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As mentioned on other threads, our airline management has asked for concessions on every contract and in the past it’s my opinion thar we negotiated poorly and gave away parts of our contract to get something in return. Multiple other airlines are now getting offers that are all gains no concessions. Our unions negotiating committee updates have made it clear that once again our management has asked for many concessions in nearly all, if not in every single section that was opened by either party.
One major worrying item is that management sought concessions with our scope clause. While we don’t have the notes or any language for what has been agreed upon, the earnings call should make it clear that management wants to outsource much of our flying. We need strong scope language and I for one am not willing to accept any concessions. We worked hard and made many sacrifices during the pandemic, which allowed for record profits and record growth for our airline. We did that only to be insulted and indirectly threatened by FedEx executive Mike Lenz on the earnings call. He said and I quote, “there will be cyclical ups and downs. But as we come out of the current circumstances when it comes back, it would come back in a different way, and we would be using less of our own Purple tail lift and more of partner-lift in order to flow traffic in the most efficient manner possible.”
This should be seen as a shot across the bow for us to get serious and to unify in order to get the contract that we have earned and deserve. It could just be typical shenanigans from our management to scare us into accepting a substandard contract, or it could be a serious threat on our jobs. Either way it is unacceptable.
One major worrying item is that management sought concessions with our scope clause. While we don’t have the notes or any language for what has been agreed upon, the earnings call should make it clear that management wants to outsource much of our flying. We need strong scope language and I for one am not willing to accept any concessions. We worked hard and made many sacrifices during the pandemic, which allowed for record profits and record growth for our airline. We did that only to be insulted and indirectly threatened by FedEx executive Mike Lenz on the earnings call. He said and I quote, “there will be cyclical ups and downs. But as we come out of the current circumstances when it comes back, it would come back in a different way, and we would be using less of our own Purple tail lift and more of partner-lift in order to flow traffic in the most efficient manner possible.”
This should be seen as a shot across the bow for us to get serious and to unify in order to get the contract that we have earned and deserve. It could just be typical shenanigans from our management to scare us into accepting a substandard contract, or it could be a serious threat on our jobs. Either way it is unacceptable.
12-21-2022 | 03:13 PM
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Lets set the record straight. I have stated numerous times I came to FedEx from another legacy. Prior to that, Part 91 and the regional airlines in the post 9/11 world. The last person I need to be preached at by is you regarding career stagnation, especially as you are sitting on WB Captains pay. Most likely for numerous years. Get a clue.
I have seen numerous airlines and contracts and lived under them in my career. How many airlines have you flown at besides FedEx? What have you done in your airline career to give back besides being a keyboard commando? You are sure tough. Much like many of the warriors on this site.
Merry Christmas and may god be watching over you as you fight this fierce battle on APC.
I have seen numerous airlines and contracts and lived under them in my career. How many airlines have you flown at besides FedEx? What have you done in your airline career to give back besides being a keyboard commando? You are sure tough. Much like many of the warriors on this site.
Merry Christmas and may god be watching over you as you fight this fierce battle on APC.
Please stop selling us short. Next time you want to take management’s side of the negotiation, refrain and get out of the g lock.
12-21-2022 | 03:14 PM
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As mentioned on other threads, our airline management has asked for concessions on every contract and in the past it’s my opinion thar we negotiated poorly and gave away parts of our contract to get something in return. Multiple other airlines are now getting offers that are all gains no concessions. Our unions negotiating committee updates have made it clear that once again our management has asked for many concessions in nearly all, if not in every single section that was opened by either party.
One major worrying item is that management sought concessions with our scope clause. While we don’t have the notes or any language for what has been agreed upon, the earnings call should make it clear that management wants to outsource much of our flying. We need strong scope language and I for one am not willing to accept any concessions. We worked hard and made many sacrifices during the pandemic, which allowed for record profits and record growth for our airline. We did that only to be insulted and indirectly threatened by FedEx executive Mike Lenz on the earnings call. He said and I quote, “there will be cyclical ups and downs. But as we come out of the current circumstances when it comes back, it would come back in a different way, and we would be using less of our own Purple tail lift and more of partner-lift in order to flow traffic in the most efficient manner possible.”
This should be seen as a shot across the bow for us to get serious and to unify in order to get the contract that we have earned and deserve. It could just be typical shenanigans from our management to scare us into accepting a substandard contract, or it could be a serious threat on our jobs. Either way it is unacceptable.
One major worrying item is that management sought concessions with our scope clause. While we don’t have the notes or any language for what has been agreed upon, the earnings call should make it clear that management wants to outsource much of our flying. We need strong scope language and I for one am not willing to accept any concessions. We worked hard and made many sacrifices during the pandemic, which allowed for record profits and record growth for our airline. We did that only to be insulted and indirectly threatened by FedEx executive Mike Lenz on the earnings call. He said and I quote, “there will be cyclical ups and downs. But as we come out of the current circumstances when it comes back, it would come back in a different way, and we would be using less of our own Purple tail lift and more of partner-lift in order to flow traffic in the most efficient manner possible.”
This should be seen as a shot across the bow for us to get serious and to unify in order to get the contract that we have earned and deserve. It could just be typical shenanigans from our management to scare us into accepting a substandard contract, or it could be a serious threat on our jobs. Either way it is unacceptable.
12-21-2022 | 06:32 PM
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12-22-2022 | 05:09 AM
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Very true! Educate anyone that will listen what it’s like to get whipsawed. It ain’t pretty folks and if you still have your head buried in the sand about scope. It is about time you come up for air.
12-22-2022 | 11:15 AM
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Sarcasm folks. Don't get your you know what in a bunch.
The FedEx Pilot contract is extremely weak on all kinds of management screw jobs that could forever change our way of life and jobs at FedEx. The bigger problem is, most here don't even know it.
12-22-2022 | 06:12 PM
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"I have stated numerous times I came to FedEx from another legacy. Prior to that, Part 91 and the regional airlines in the post 9/11 world" ha ha ha . apparently never flew with a military pilot, ever. How is that possible?
"Funky chicken, funky chicken, you okay back there? hey hey, you okay back there? Wake up man, wake up man."
"Dip**** 99, pull up, dip**** 99 pull up, pull up, ahhhh ****ttt man"
"Funky chicken, funky chicken, you okay back there? hey hey, you okay back there? Wake up man, wake up man."
"Dip**** 99, pull up, dip**** 99 pull up, pull up, ahhhh ****ttt man"
12-22-2022 | 07:16 PM
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It was pretty clear to me on todays pub call that our negotiating committee has accepted concessions. He seemed genuinely angry by the the increased calls for NO CONCESSIONS and by the pilot group pointing out that other properties are able to negotiate gains without giving away anything. When other airlines raise the bar it is time to rethink our positions and determine if we are on the right track. We do it all the time while flying. We make course corrections to ensure we stay on course. We shouldnt decide the course we planned before takeoff is the correct path when winds have clearly shifted.
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