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Old 01-10-2023, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pinseeker View Post
Ohhh, are your feelings hurt?

Did you guys or did you guys not agree to two contract extensions to your 2016 contract?

Wasn't the main reason given for each extension that UPS wouldn't negotiate a new contract for pilots until the teamster contract was done?

Isn't it true that if you adjusted your top 2020 pay rate for inflation, it would be $385? Isn't your current top rate $361?

So tell us again why we should listen to you?


Yes, these are public forums. It's just sad to see that some UPS pilots have nothing else going on in their life so they troll the Fedex forums.
Pinhead, you win! 🏳️ Now show us how itís done. In the interim, enjoy your $335.56! Wait shouldnít that be much higher considering inflationÖ.?
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Old 01-10-2023, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX View Post
That makes no sense at all. Let me use some of the anti-ALPA pilotsí logic. Part 117 requires more pilots. More pilots equals more pilot payroll (the only reason why Fdx and ups are against it), more pilot payroll equals more dues income. Dues income is the reason for ALPAís existence. Of course ALPA didnít cave. They didnít have ALL airline pilots speaking as one. Pilot unions are fractured into five other entities.

CAPA? I havenít heard of them since USAPA disappeared. Are they still around? I think I can count on one three fingers the amount of times a non-ALPA pilot testified in congress. And two of those were captain sully, who is an ALPA supporter, by the way. So maybe not a free lunch but itís definitely a deeply discounted lunch.
Guess you missed all the years IPA was in Washington fighting against the 117 cutout, alone, just for one example. OTW, you canít possibly expect a group of 3K to match the lobbying effort of what, 60K alpa members. Thank you guys for contributing significant efforts to make the industry safer for everyone, not just alpa pilots.

FYI - The only ďanti-alpaĒ people at IPA are by and large former alpa people. The rest of us have no anti alpa sentiment. In house is simply a better fit for our situation.

We know you Fx guys look down on us IPA folk as dirty cargo dogs, but we ainít your enemy fellas.
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Old 01-10-2023, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FTv3 View Post
Guess you missed all the years IPA was in Washington fighting against the 117 cutout, alone, just for one example. OTW, you can’t possibly expect a group of 3K to match the lobbying effort of what, 60K alpa members. Thank you guys for contributing significant efforts to make the industry safer for everyone, not just alpa pilots.

FYI - The only “anti-alpa” people at IPA are by and large former alpa people. The rest of us have no anti alpa sentiment. In house is simply a better fit for our situation.

We know you Fx guys look down on us IPA folk as dirty cargo dogs, but we ain’t your enemy fellas.
First, let me say that I don’t look down on UPS pilots or the IPA. I’m simply saying that 63k pilots have more strength than 3k and even 60k. By the way, ALPA was in DC as well talking to the OMB (where the carve out happened), to lobby the Obama admin. But FedEx, UPS, and the CAA (management is unified under one association against us, smart on them) simply had more pull. I wonder if all 100k airline pilots and the collective strength of that PAC (how much money does the IPA PAC have or does it even have a PAC) would’ve made a difference. I feel we should all be together as one when it comes to dealing with the federal government.

I believe that the anti-ALPA sentiment comes from the misconception that national dictates local issues. National cannot force local mec to do anything. ALPA national simply deals with national issue. Each mec decides what to negotiate and how to deal with day to day dealings with management. Most of the success and struggles at each airline have more to do with the health of the company, the broader economy, and or whether current management decides to have a working or hostile relationship. So when things are not great at the airline, national gets blamed for not doing enough. Not much national can do about broader economic conditions or hostile management.

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Old 01-10-2023, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by YangonYangon View Post
Reading all this whining makes me feel like the Japanese guy who sat next to Ted Striker in Airplane!

Sheesh people.
Amen, and RIPÖ
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Old 01-11-2023, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Moosefire View Post
Talk to your rep, no one broke 1mil, schoolyard rumor
You are incorrect. Several HKG and 777 Captains did.
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Old 01-11-2023, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser View Post

I would love to have a union-run message board where we could converse with our real names (and no imposters). Fakebook indeed does not count.

Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot View Post

Seconded.

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Old 01-11-2023, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC View Post
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We had this!? I honestly never knew.
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Old 01-11-2023, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser View Post
We had this!? I honestly never knew.
If I remember correctly, each pilot group had one. This was years ago at a different airline but it was scarcely used by anyone. Died on its own. ALPA feels it’s too much liability anyway (if it ever caught on) so they finally killed it.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence View Post
Nah, at this point Iím frankly not willing to start over again and put myself at the bottom of a list that has now hired 50% of their pilots in the past 8 years. Iíll still retire well under 5% at FedEx even if we stay this size forever.

Iíve hitched my cart to this horse and will
concentrate on trying to make it better for all of us that are here now and anyone who joins in the future.
guessing you changed your mind?
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Old 09-19-2023, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by YellowBanana View Post
guessing you changed your mind?
Yeah, I did change my mind. I did not go to Delta but I did leave for a different legacy.

When I made that comment last December I was not imagining the extent to which the company and union were going to let us down with the TA that was presented in the Spring. I also didnít think our schedules would degrade to the point they have, or that FedEx would bring in one-of-if-not-the-most anti-labor executives in the aeronautical industry as our CFO. Maybe I was being naive, but I just didnít think it would get to the point that it has. I updated my logbook and filled out my new app the day that TA was published.

It was not part of the plan and it was a big decision. I worked with a lot of great people at FDX and I wish everyone the best. Hope TA 2 knocks it out of the park and everyone gets what they deserve.
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