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Old 03-02-2023 | 09:44 AM
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I’m posting Delta’s new pay scale for reference. I think it’s important for all of our pilots to easily see how stark the difference is. $417.54 for a top of scale 777 captain. Top scale 757 captain makes $15 more than our current top scale wide body captain. Second year wide body FO is at 206.65. DOS+3 wide body captain is, $474.20. When we get there, United will likely have even higher rates. These numbers come from the negotiators notepad. Congrats to Delta. You all raised the bar higher than I could have imagined.
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Old 03-02-2023 | 09:48 AM
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Well that picture didn’t turn out very well at all. Here’s a link
https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.ne...ce%20Guide.pdf
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Old 03-02-2023 | 10:17 AM
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I agree a lot of our guys need to see how incredibly far behind we are about to end up. My quick math suggests we need a 24% DOS increase just to match where they are at this point. Admittedly that’s a large number but this is also the second contract delta has signed since our 2015 agreement. FedEx has delayed negotiations and wants to play the long game with contract duration , well now it’s time to pay the piper.
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Old 03-02-2023 | 10:36 AM
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We also have to remember that we’re on a 15 year scale to Delta’s 12 year scale. My seat and seniority at Delta will pay $270. We can’t accept less pay for our longevity because our pay scale drags out for three years longer.
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Old 03-02-2023 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by schloppy1
We also have to remember that we’re on a 15 year scale to Delta’s 12 year scale. My seat and seniority at Delta will pay $270. We can’t accept less pay for our longevity because our pay scale drags out for three years longer.
This is a good point. Their top rate should be compared to our 12 year rate. If our top rate equals others’ top rate that’s a three year concession on pay tables.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by schloppy1
We also have to remember that we’re on a 15 year scale to Delta’s 12 year scale. My seat and seniority at Delta will pay $270. We can’t accept less pay for our longevity because our pay scale drags out for three years longer.
This. 12 year rates need to be compared to 12 year rates.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
This. 12 year rates need to be compared to 12 year rates.
that pushes us to a 28% increase DOS. I fly with plenty of senior folks who still think 12-16% is acceptable “as long as retirement is fixed” whatever that means.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
This is a good point. Their top rate should be compared to our 12 year rate. If our top rate equals others’ top rate that’s a three year concession on pay tables.

can somebody tell me what the rate is for an 8 year?
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Old 03-03-2023 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Greenhorn
I fly with plenty of senior folks who still think 12-16% is acceptable “as long as retirement is fixed” whatever that means.
I suspect the surveys must indicate that the group supporting those mediocre increases is too small for overall membership ratification. The UPS extension is currently a 12% increase from present book and obviously the MEC is not even considering it.
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Old 03-03-2023 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Greenhorn
that pushes us to a 28% increase DOS. I fly with plenty of senior folks who still think 12-16% is acceptable “as long as retirement is fixed” whatever that means.
They’ve just gotta make sure they can rip the A plan parachute and grab there bag of bonus money on the way out the door when the rest of the new book is full of concessions and a lack luster rates. So frustrating. I’m getting so tired of hearing about fixing the pension they elected to not address during multiple bargaining cycles over the past 20+ years.
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