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04-20-2023 | 07:27 AM
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From: Gear Monkey
The structure is different, but the results are the same. If they put a -25 in the 77C seat (old contract), and you were a 77F and wanted to be a Captain, you wouldn't be able to move because the seat was in excess, unless you were bumped out, or bid to relieve the excess. Same thing here. People are seeing junior people gets seats they bid, but those junior people are coming from a closing base or being bumped out of their seat. The same thing would have happened with the last contract. You can't go to a seat that's in excess (old verbiage) just because you wanted to.
Are any of the following seats in excess (old verbiage): 30FM, 67FM, 67FI, 57CM, 77CA, 77FA, and 67FO? Answer: No. The company is clearly advertising vacancies in those seats during this displacement bid.
Given the long history of unionized airline pilots, how should those vacancies be filled ?
In the previous "Minus 1, Bump and Flush" the junior excessed toothpaste would have been pushed further back. (....but that would require more training cycles, and thus more $$$)
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04-20-2023 | 07:28 AM
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Also, if you were hired in the last two years or recently moved to a new (higher/lateral) seat you may be seat locked.
04-20-2023 | 07:33 AM
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Lets not talk past or around each other.
Are any of the following seats in excess (old verbiage): 30FM, 67FM, 67FI, 57CM, 77CA, 77FA, and 67FO? Answer: No. The company is clearly advertising vacancies in those seats during this displacement bid.
Given the long history of unionized airline pilots, how should those vacancies be filled ?
In the previous "Minus 1, Bump and Flush" the junior excessed toothpaste would have been pushed further back. (....but that would require more training cycles, and thus more $$$)
In Unity (for everyone),
DLax
Are any of the following seats in excess (old verbiage): 30FM, 67FM, 67FI, 57CM, 77CA, 77FA, and 67FO? Answer: No. The company is clearly advertising vacancies in those seats during this displacement bid.
Given the long history of unionized airline pilots, how should those vacancies be filled ?
In the previous "Minus 1, Bump and Flush" the junior excessed toothpaste would have been pushed further back. (....but that would require more training cycles, and thus more $$$)
In Unity (for everyone),
DLax
04-20-2023 | 07:44 AM
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From: Gear Monkey
Read section 24 and the answer is right in front of you. I also posted a brief explanation earlier in the thread. It’s only hard to understand if you refuse to educate yourself. You can disagree with it but from the looks of it, the practice bid was done to the letter of the contract. If you can find a discrepancy, let us know what it is and then ask the union to clarify.
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04-20-2023 | 07:54 AM
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What did you expect? The airline isn’t going to reshuffle the entire deck every time there’s a system bid. That’s not how our contract works and it’s not how they do it anywhere else. If you don’t get this, then you’re incredibly ignorant. When airlines are expanding they have vacancies in most of their seats which allows you to move easier based on seniority. When the airline is staying the same size or shrinking you don’t just get to kick people out of a seat. Period. Sorry if that upsets you, bit it’s not unique to FedEx.
Also, if you were hired in the last two years or recently moved to a new (higher/lateral) seat you may be seat locked.
Also, if you were hired in the last two years or recently moved to a new (higher/lateral) seat you may be seat locked.
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04-20-2023 | 08:17 AM
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No, because under the old contract they trained in seniority order. Most senior went to training first. A junior pilot could trade training dates with a senior pilot, but had to get "permission" from all of the senior pilots in between. When you gave your permission, you waved your right to passover pay for that pilot being junior to you.
04-20-2023 | 08:20 AM
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There is nothing in this bid that prevents anyone who isn't under a seat lock to bid for those vacancies. If you want to be a 75 captain, and are senior enough to hold one of those vacancies, you will get it unless you have been in a WB captain seat for less than 24 months. How is that different than any other vacancy bid?
04-20-2023 | 08:42 AM
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I think there is still massive confusion on what exactly constituted a ‘vacancy’ in the initial posting. The ‘current staffing’ column represented the AWARDS from the previous bid, rather than an actual snapshot of who is ACTIVATED in that seat TODAY. The wording was confusing, but makes way more sense if you really look at the numbers.
For example, the M57F showed current staffing at 182 and min staffing as 362. The means that COMPARED TO A FULLY TRAINED-OUT 21-01 BID we needed 180 more bodies in that seat. I have had folks try to tell me that adding 180 more pilots to that seat was gonna put M57F at 520 pilots which is ridiculous, but taken at face value I see how they arrived there.
04-20-2023 | 08:46 AM
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From: Gear Monkey
There is nothing in this bid that prevents anyone who isn't under a seat lock to bid for those vacancies. If you want to be a 75 captain, and are senior enough to hold one of those vacancies, you will get it unless you have been in a WB captain seat for less than 24 months. How is that different than any other vacancy bid?
Once again, I'm not saying the practice bid is wrong, or some how not in compliance with the 2015 contract - which we passed. I'm saying it's different than the old "Minus 1 Bump & Flush" system we had prior. Did we, or at least our 2015 Negotiating Committee, fully understand the affects of the changes we agreed to?
A 2023 TA is looming on the horizon. Read it ALL. Understand it ALL. Ask questions on why something has changed - especially if it's something new the company has proposed. Who benefits from the change? Who loses? Their proposals are rarely innocuous.
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