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Globemaster2827 04-18-2023 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3625832)
you are assuming the bid is reflecting the entire picture. I do not believe it is - this is step one in their plan. You can’t tell how many pilots we are overmanned by the bid. Look at the SAM after this trains out - if they continue their plan it’ll be in 4a2c territory.

Looking at the SAM, if they train this out then, and we lose 300 retirements (those are minimums) then we'd be 300 pilots less than we are with virtually the same amount of flying. Unless we sold airplanes our crew ratio would start to look more like it did during Covid. You're assuming they get rid of airplanes that they aren't yet planning to get rid of. That could happen or things could pick back up and we could be completely slammed and way undermanned. Either could happen.

Globemaster2827 04-18-2023 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 3625881)
This is a cynical investor sentiment DRIVEN attempt to inflate the value of FDX stock. Nothing else. All the prognostication about how this will play out is FUD. These system bids are worthless. Trying to forecast your manning levels 24 months out is foolhardy. This is why no one else in the industry does it.

All these management ploys will only ever result in sugar highs for the stock. Wall Street only rewards growth and innovation. Tesla doesn't have to layoff people and play numbers games to increase the value of their stock because they're growing and innovating and their leadership (seems) competent. Their stock price has been stratospheric. Meanwhile back in Memphis.......

Don't make any decisions based on this being the future. The world didn't change in the last 6 months

It's so silly that even if I am displaced I'll be able to hold off on my new training until well after their next system bid they say they're going to have! What's the point of that?

MX727 04-18-2023 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by gasnhaul (Post 3625529)
MX,

I looked at your numbers and think I found an error. You show 75FM at 362 for Min/Max Staffing from the FCIF, but then you have 468 immediately below that in both spots. This gives a total of 5624. If you subtract out the extra 106 there you'll get back to the 5518 total I keep coming up with. And, being lazy I hadn't run the numbers in the current staffing levels, I was using the seniority number of 6009 being highest I could find so I had assumed we were 500 over manned. So if 5518 is correct (but maybe it isn't I just don't know where you got the additional numbers), then it looks like the numbers are 298 overstaffed using Min and 28 understaffed using Max.

Gas

Thanks. I'll fix it. Not sure what happened, it's not a formula in my spreadsheet. It may have been an issue with the text to column function. I come up with the same 5518 now and the same over and under numbers.

MX727 04-18-2023 12:37 PM

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Corrected chart. Had too many 57 FO's in Min and Max total. Still feel that jobs are safe with retirements coming.

Tuck 04-18-2023 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 3625917)
Looking at the SAM, if they train this out then, and we lose 300 retirements (those are minimums) then we'd be 300 pilots less than we are with virtually the same amount of flying. Unless we sold airplanes our crew ratio would start to look more like it did during Covid. You're assuming they get rid of airplanes that they aren't yet planning to get rid of. That could happen or things could pick back up and we could be completely slammed and way undermanned. Either could happen.

where in this bid does it give any indication of what loads or overall freight will look like? You can’t base it on jets - we don’t even know if they will actually receive all the jets that have been ordered or how many will be parked.

we do know
- daytime sort to decrease by large amount due to postal contract changes
- CO intends to use trucks a lot more
- CO intends to use more “partner” life instead or our own jets
- PAC crossings to decrease by 30%

now add all that up and they are certainly saying they intend to greatly REDUCE the amount of freight the airline carries

Xing30west 04-19-2023 05:52 PM

Practice Bid 1 is posted.

LuckyvsGood 04-19-2023 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by Xing30west (Post 3626665)
Practice Bid 1 is posted.


what did it say?

Nightflyer 04-19-2023 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by LuckyvsGood (Post 3626676)
what did it say?

It's a giant game of musical chairs.

Stan446 04-19-2023 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1 (Post 3623741)
I think they’re about to see some serious attrition like they’ve never seen before.

Bye..............

Nucflash 04-19-2023 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3626692)
Bye..............

Put differently, it’s not gonna affect him ⬆️…..so why would he care?


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