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UnusualAttitude 02-15-2024 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3769275)
Truth hurts but the company makes business decisions to make money, not employ you.

And I pay ALPA to protect my job and keep my seat at the table.

*Thanks for making it crystal clear which side you’re on. Not unnoticed that you didn’t refute my comments when it comes to your own perspective. Sorry, you’re in the minority now. The loud minority. For the record many of us love this company and want nothing more than to see it succeed and maintain its place in the worldwide business community. We also want to make sure that we are a part of the future success.

Nordhavn 02-15-2024 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by jackryan (Post 3769053)
“ASL isn’t growing…”

NC committee member during a roadshow presentation last summer. Unconscionable.

Sounds like a straight up lie to me. Does the NC just believe whatever the company tells them and then regurgitate it to the membership.

"SAFE AND EFFECTIVE"

Herkguy80 02-15-2024 08:25 AM

If you add Stan to your ignore list (like I have for half of the people on JF) this place gets a lot more reasonable...

opt0712 02-15-2024 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by jackryan (Post 3769053)
“ASL isn’t growing…”

NC committee member during a roadshow presentation last summer. Unconscionable.

Exactly. Getting absolutely played.

From the SIG notes:

Looking ahead, the seven European cities remaining with 757 service will be reduced by three in April. We are projected to lose EMA, MAD, and MUC. If you have not had the opportunity to serve our customers in these cities, this may be your last chance.

Nightflyer 02-15-2024 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3769314)
Exactly. Getting absolutely played.

From the SIG notes:

Looking ahead, the seven European cities remaining with 757 service will be reduced by three in April. We are projected to lose EMA, MAD, and MUC. If you have not had the opportunity to serve our customers in these cities, this may be your last chance.

This validates why I voted no. The Scope section alone was a deal killer for me, not to mention all the rest of it.

Cocoloco 02-16-2024 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3769314)
Exactly. Getting absolutely played.

From the SIG notes:

Looking ahead, the seven European cities remaining with 757 service will be reduced by three in April. We are projected to lose EMA, MAD, and MUC. If you have not had the opportunity to serve our customers in these cities, this may be your last chance.

UPS doessn't fly to MUC either. Or EDI, or ATH, or Belfast, or Milan, etc. etc.. And FDX has 9 777's in NRT and another 8 in KIX. While UPS has 2. I wouldn't be complaining.

Rum Runner 02-16-2024 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Cocoloco (Post 3769813)
UPS doessn't fly to MUC either. Or EDI, or ATH, or Belfast, or Milan, etc. etc.. And FDX has 9 777's in NRT and another 8 in KIX. While UPS has 2. I wouldn't be complaining.

Of course you know that isn't the point. I suggest going to the FCIF Posting of 23-01. It can be found in the Postings link, in the Gen Info tab of the Resources drop down. Go down to the 4th bullet under domicile plans. Let us know what you find and if you see any of the lost flying in the MEM57 bidpack. THAT, is the point. Where has all of the flying gone compared to where they said it would go?

threeighteen 02-16-2024 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Cocoloco (Post 3769813)
UPS doessn't fly to MUC either. Or EDI, or ATH, or Belfast, or Milan, etc. etc.. And FDX has 9 777's in NRT and another 8 in KIX. While UPS has 2. I wouldn't be complaining.

What does UPS having less airplanes in NRT and KIX have to do with us losing flying to a subcontractor in Europe because our scope is the joke of the industry? I don’t understand why we shouldn’t be complaining about losing flying?

opt0712 04-21-2024 03:41 PM

Latest Scope email
 
Where are all the TA YES voters? Are you awake yet?!

The company is exploiting our extremely weak current scope section everyday, and you wanted to give the company MORE leverage to outsource our jobs?!

India triangle flying GONE come June and outsourced.Thats P1 freight!

How much more BS and lies from the company is it going to take for you to see this gutting of FedEx is REAL?

WAKE UP

NotMrNiceGuy 04-21-2024 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by MrSuupafly (Post 3623971)
They don’t necessarily get to do it for free internationally. Any route traditionally flown by FedEx pilots incurs a scope penalty if that route is wet leased to another airline. The penalty is double the 15 year pay rate for a wide body Captain, FO and FE, multiplied by the block hours flown.

So with the India flying, is the company just going to permanently pay the penalty?

Also, I thought trunk planes were being removed. If the trunk fleet is shrinking, how can they wet lease?


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