You don’t know anything about me or what I’ve done. So stick to facts, not projections of your fears. Attacking me with accusations without any evidence makes YOU the type person you lampoon here as hysterical idiots. Congratulations on your accomplishment. It also means you know that your position is indefensible.

You were critical of ALPA until the TA announced and now everyone against it psychotic, flying *****, and without facts. I think that really describes you pushing for a substandard TA so you can get a bump to your retirement.

If the TA doesn’t pass, then learning fro recent past is important. Spewing your diatribe doesn’t help help discuss the merits of the TA or improving our ask if it fails.

p.s. You’ve admitted that you have poor social skills as repeatedly on display here. You still have much work to improve it. Take the emotion out your posts and be respectful of your fellow union members.

 

Numbers show we are twice as profitable as passenger company. Does that mean we get twice the cost per pilot? Math can be a funny thing.

p.s. You communicate the way a labor lawyer thinks pilots communicate. Work a little harder to sound like a pilot.

 

NoWork … You literally say the same thing over and over and over again - the only thing you’ve changed is your username.

we get it - you think the pilot group is a bunch of selfish
only looking out for themselves while they fed at the trough group, but if I remember correctly you yourself (well, the old you) that you were feeding at the same trough pumping up your paycheck and you were going to get yours. I used to have you blocked, but now I get entertained reading your non sense and rants.

keep it up - I love a good laugh

As far as that $3.8 billion offer (I’d sure like to see the math and all the assumptions to come up with that figure) goes - I’d be willing to bet the company is getting $4 billion in savings!

 

I agree with Sunny1.

The 3.8 billion dollar number is false, unless you subtract the amount of company savings involved in the TA, which will be significant.

Just the wet leasing alone will be a lot of money. Sunsetting the A plan will save over a billion, I imagine. I don't know, because "my" union can't or won't put a number on it.

In 2015, the company "paid for the contract in 6 months". I wonder how many months it will take this time around.

Still a hard, firm, no. Not going to change my mind. July 5 can't get here fast enough.

 

And they need to stop pushing the 30K gain in the retirement as a big win. You’re agreeing to pay me 35k-40k less than my peers in return I’ll get 30k extra per year in retirement. Hmmmmmm let me think, NOPE!

 

This new retirement proposal, and it is a proposal via the TA, is essentially a buy out to people who already have 25 years/ high 5, and then attempt to make others opt out voluntarily and freeze it. They cannot legally take it away, but they are creating a new system of three different retirement vehicles wherein the choice to remain in the A plan will whittle away the fixed payments with no ability to increase. Pretty devious. The company is hell bent on sunsetting the A plan. There was opportunity in past contract negotiations to increasing the benefits. There are many benefits and downsides to traditional pensions. Perhaps we are on our own to provide for retirement and will not be able to count on pensions or tax deferred plans. In which case we will need higher income and to live far far below our means, and make good investments. Ability to skate where the puck is going. What has worked in the past is on thin ice.

 

Our new NC, if we are successful in voting the TA down, should clearly show us what our corp's executives ever-improving Defined Benefit retirement plan looks like. I bet they don't have to trade in QOL to get it to improve, because they work for a tremendously profitable company. The same company we work for.

The difference has been that our pilot negotiators have a "this is the best we will get from the company, just shut up and say thank you for the scraps you've been fed!" mentality.

 

Shaman has volunteered to be the new NC, he'll fill you in with the plan that is better than anything anyone has ever thought of.

 

Stan, you gotta answer it!

What happened to your initial, clear, read-it-yourself assessment of the TA?

Paraphrasing you: "The NC sold us out".

What happened man? A road show?

Really, I am curious about your 180º course reversal.

 

my guess, he realized it was garbage, drank himself to sleep, but not before sharing his assessment, woke up, and thought, if this rightfully fails, I may be forced out at age 65 before a new TA hits the streets; thusly, the about face.

Stan wanted more A fund. Stan didn’t get it. Stan is sad. See Stan cry.