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Old 06-15-2023, 08:34 AM
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I know you will sell this TA with everything you have. You have made that clear.

I hope you do not succeed in stunning our pilots into submission with fear tactics, misleading figures and financial assumptions, so that we roll over and vote in this concessionary, industry-lagging, divisive settlement that you call a TA. An agreement with degraded Scope protections that will allow for other carriers to carry OUR freight on OUR ramps, year round - even while potentially having our pilots out on furlough!

Please, consider doing the honorable thing. Resign from your positions and return to the line before you destroy our QOL, along with the rest of my career here.

If the upcoming fearmongering from your Road Shows gets this this TA to pass, I will have to consider starting somewhere else. 14 years in with 20 to go.
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Old 06-15-2023, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor View Post
To the nc: (does not deserve capital letters).

I know you will sell this TA with everything you have. You have made that clear.

I hope you do not succeed in stunning our pilots into submission with fear tactics, misleading figures and financial assumptions, so that we roll over and vote in this concessionary, industry-lagging, divisive settlement that you call a TA. An agreement with degraded Scope protections that will allow for other carriers to carry OUR freight on OUR ramps, year round - even while potentially having our pilots out on furlough!

Please, consider doing the honorable thing. Resign from your positions and return to the line before you destroy our QOL, along with the rest of my career here.

If the upcoming fearmongering from your Road Shows gets this this TA to pass, I will have to consider starting somewhere else. 14 years in with 20 to go.
Sent something similar to my block rep on Tuesday and crickets! I suspect he won’t reply because rumor has it he is about to retire!
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Old 06-17-2023, 08:51 AM
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Sent something similar to my block rep on Tuesday and crickets! I suspect he won’t reply because rumor has it he is about to retire!
Well, he'll be retiring under the old contract - so there's that..........
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Old 06-17-2023, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor View Post
To the nc: (does not deserve capital letters).

I know you will sell this TA with everything you have. You have made that clear.

I hope you do not succeed in stunning our pilots into submission with fear tactics, misleading figures and financial assumptions, so that we roll over and vote in this concessionary, industry-lagging, divisive settlement that you call a TA. An agreement with degraded Scope protections that will allow for other carriers to carry OUR freight on OUR ramps, year round - even while potentially having our pilots out on furlough!

Please, consider doing the honorable thing. Resign from your positions and return to the line before you destroy our QOL, along with the rest of my career here.

If the upcoming fearmongering from your Road Shows gets this this TA to pass, I will have to consider starting somewhere else. 14 years in with 20 to go.
It’s painful to see our union trying to sell this TA. I’m of similar opinion and situation. If this TA passes, it has the possibility of indefinite career stagnation and furloughs. I’m floored we find ourselves in this position. This is my third union membership and second ALPA shop, and I couldn’t be more disappointed with their willingness to wet lease our jobs away. It’s unacceptable. This TA may be okay if the scope wasn’t killed. I’m sick to my stomach.
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Old 06-17-2023, 05:59 PM
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Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly. When you were hired were you concerned with our scope language? Were you concerned with our scope language 10 months ago? They added a few small scope improvements yet you’re acting as if the sky is falling? Are you admitting you lacked any understanding of our scope section until the past three months?
What don't you understand about allowing the company to furlough and wet lease at the same time being a bad idea for the crew force?
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Old 06-18-2023, 04:04 AM
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What don't you understand about allowing the company to furlough and wet lease at the same time being a bad idea for the crew force?
Honest question. What has prevented the company from wet leasing during a furlough for the past 24 years? Now, there is a larger penalty if they do it.
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Old 06-18-2023, 04:10 AM
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Honest question. What has prevented the company from wet leasing during a furlough for the past 24 years? Now, there is a larger penalty if they do it.
Different CEO and Mgt team.
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Old 06-18-2023, 04:31 AM
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Honest question. What has prevented the company from wet leasing during a furlough for the past 24 years? Now, there is a larger penalty if they do it.
I dont see where he's wrong here. The added language only served to highlight how weak section 1 of our contract is. But as Pat says we don't have a scope problem we have a volume problem.

In fact much of the lanuage in our contract is wishy-washy in general.
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Old 06-18-2023, 07:03 AM
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Honest question. What has prevented the company from wet leasing during a furlough for the past 24 years? Now, there is a larger penalty if they do it.
Fredrick W Smith.

Like it or not, DE Shaw and McKinsey are in the henhouse now.
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Old 06-18-2023, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by oncewasgood View Post
Let me make sure I am understanding you correctly. When you were hired were you concerned with our scope language? Were you concerned with our scope language 10 months ago? They added a few small scope improvements yet you’re acting as if the sky is falling? Are you admitting you lacked any understanding of our scope section until the past three months?
Scope was not a concern for anybody according to polling….until the company announced their new plans. These plans are driven largely by chasing dividend growth and quarterly performance for immediate stock gains ant the expense of long term stability and growth. The old management team thought like investors. The new team thinks like speculators and raiders. If FedEx had closed this deal on the amenable date they could have snuck in scope gains for them at significantly lower pay rates because it would have been before Delta’s contract and more importantly declaring to the investing world their plans to reshape the company at the expense of FedEx employees in favor of outsourced labor. Strategic error to save a few nickels…. They are counting on us to not listen to their own words now.
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