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06-23-2023, 06:00 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy
...Besides, when was the last time we shot for just matching inflation?
To those of us trying to stop this decades-long negative trend in QoL which we cannot seem to escape here (because the company plays us expertly), we are going up against the company's low offers AND the union's sales jobs.
When you see our pilots settling for barely matching inflation, and our NC/Speculator's charts full of asterisks, and still insisting on calling our payrates a win, it gives you an idea of what we are up against with this vote.
06-23-2023, 09:11 AM
#22
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You wouldn't need to "sell" a good TA
Collectively, the crowd is smarter than the experts. Many members have brought up excellent points and rationale. I'm glad to have access to more information than we used to have before internet. The union is not a monopoly on the TA narrative. Humans are a primitive species and can easily be persuaded with psy ops, fear, arrogance, half truths, and so forth, please help me brainstorm more.
It's a struggle to get wages to keep up with inflation. The government is against you in this. I used to expect a real raise so I had more purchasing power. Now we are gambling on investments to keep up and if we win, if we actually have to sell and realize some gains to live on we owe more taxes, so really we have a melting ice cube of wealth.
We should not give anything up to fix our A plan. They are offering a Hobson's choice to make you choose the MBCBP. Don't be jealous of the young guys just yet, time will tell the outcome for them in retirement.
A colleague kept repeating "I want what Delta has." I took a look at theirs and the AA AIP and was gobsmacked at how much better it is.
It's a struggle to get wages to keep up with inflation. The government is against you in this. I used to expect a real raise so I had more purchasing power. Now we are gambling on investments to keep up and if we win, if we actually have to sell and realize some gains to live on we owe more taxes, so really we have a melting ice cube of wealth.
We should not give anything up to fix our A plan. They are offering a Hobson's choice to make you choose the MBCBP. Don't be jealous of the young guys just yet, time will tell the outcome for them in retirement.
A colleague kept repeating "I want what Delta has." I took a look at theirs and the AA AIP and was gobsmacked at how much better it is.
06-23-2023, 10:38 AM
#23
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Posts: 1,336
Originally Posted by CloudSailor
Stan, Laughing Jakal, Boomerbus, all these dudes, don't give a rat's a$$ about payrates. They see this TA through the lens of leaving in the next couple of years, just like Pat.
To those of us trying to stop this decades-long negative trend in QoL which we cannot seem to escape here (because the company plays us expertly), we are going up against the company's low offers AND the union's sales jobs.
When you see our pilots settling for barely matching inflation, and our NC/Speculator's charts full of asterisks, and still insisting on calling our payrates a win, it gives you an idea of what we are up against with this vote.
To those of us trying to stop this decades-long negative trend in QoL which we cannot seem to escape here (because the company plays us expertly), we are going up against the company's low offers AND the union's sales jobs.
When you see our pilots settling for barely matching inflation, and our NC/Speculator's charts full of asterisks, and still insisting on calling our payrates a win, it gives you an idea of what we are up against with this vote.
Oh believe me, I care about pay rates.....No matter what you say or do...If this passes....My pay goes up $100k a year over 4.5 years.....I will spend some of it on Costco Jeans and New Balance shoes......
Cloud....why don't you PM me....find out who I am....I find out who you are....we can talk on the phone....find out we're just regular guys who don't agree on something important.....Open invitation, but my time is valuable....if you're just going to deride me or harangue me I won't give you a whole lot.....Just think...you can come back here and tell everyone what an idiot I am......Tony C knows me......Call him.....I doubt he would call me an idiot.....he also knows I'm not management or work for the NC or MEC.....like you, I am a pilot here issuing my opinion.....seems like things don't change...I wasted my time on here years ago....seems like a narcissistic outlet.
06-23-2023, 10:43 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by BluePAX
It would be helpful to have a discussion based on math if you did have the numbers in front of you.
If that 17.1 is correct, then that means by some metrics we would just barely match inflation, and by others still be lacking. But I don't have those number in front of me either.
So while *maybe* matching our pay to inflation, we then gave away: QOL items, opened a gaping hole in scope, and effectively axed the defined benefit plan...all to fund the pseudo pancake retirement plan?
If that 17.1 is correct, then that means by some metrics we would just barely match inflation, and by others still be lacking. But I don't have those number in front of me either.
So while *maybe* matching our pay to inflation, we then gave away: QOL items, opened a gaping hole in scope, and effectively axed the defined benefit plan...all to fund the pseudo pancake retirement plan?
Like I said, they were taping the road shows.....I'm not saying we were blowing inflation out of the water...but to say we are well below is patently not the case......sometimes big +...sometimes little -.....LIke I said...pretty self explanatory unless you think NC is purely fabricating numbers and lying about CPI
Hopefully they will book mark certain parts of the video so you can "Skip ahead to your favorite action", so you don't have to waste time on stuff you'd rather not hear from them on.
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