We are ALPA's Commodity
06-21-2023, 10:44 AM
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We are ALPA's Commodity
ALPA is a business. It's a business that doesn't produce, pack, ship, or deliver a single product. The Union's commodity is a Pilot Group that is forced to pay them no matter if their service is good, bad, or ugly (agency shop). They make their money off of us, from agency shop (2015 CBA Section 29) to insurance products to VEBA/Post 65 PRP to wet leasing... Their latest money-making scheme is this new retirement plan. They stand to make a fortune off managing it especially if they are able to push this thing on to the rest of the airline industry. What happened to the survey results the first time they pitched it to us? It's a shame that for all of our hard work and all the money we pay the union, all we get is a single vote on such a critical life-changing agreement. For the reasons of non-industry leading pay, non-industry leading retirement, and ever-expanding wet-leasing, I'm voting NO. Please join me! We don't have to eat this! We always pass these bad agreements and then complain about them for years after. Let's do something different this time! It only took about a year to get a much better TA after Delta and United voted theirs down a few years ago. Let's just say NO for once!
06-21-2023, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Oilpressureon2
It only took about a year to get a much better TA after Delta and United voted theirs down a few years ago. Let's just say NO for once!
06-21-2023, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Oilpressureon2
ALPA is a business. It's a business that doesn't produce, pack, ship, or deliver a single product. The Union's commodity is a Pilot Group that is forced to pay them no matter if their service is good, bad, or ugly (agency shop). They make their money off of us, from agency shop (2015 CBA Section 29) to insurance products to VEBA/Post 65 PRP to wet leasing... Their latest money-making scheme is this new retirement plan. They stand to make a fortune off managing it especially if they are able to push this thing on to the rest of the airline industry. What happened to the survey results the first time they pitched it to us? It's a shame that for all of our hard work and all the money we pay the union, all we get is a single vote on such a critical life-changing agreement. For the reasons of non-industry leading pay, non-industry leading retirement, and ever-expanding wet-leasing, I'm voting NO. Please join me! We don't have to eat this! We always pass these bad agreements and then complain about them for years after. Let's do something different this time! It only took about a year to get a much better TA after Delta and United voted theirs down a few years ago. Let's just say NO for once!
06-21-2023, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
You are aware United isn't even close to a TA right? Have you followed whats gong on over there? Believe me you don't want to bet the farm on their process.
06-22-2023, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
You are aware United isn't even close to a TA right? Have you followed whats gong on over there? Believe me you don't want to bet the farm on their process.
Believe you? What makes you the expert? Ok then, believe me, the OP is correct here.
06-22-2023, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Oilpressureon2
ALPA is a business. It's a business that doesn't produce, pack, ship, or deliver a single product. The Union's commodity is a Pilot Group that is forced to pay them no matter if their service is good, bad, or ugly (agency shop). They make their money off of us, from agency shop (2015 CBA Section 29) to insurance products to VEBA/Post 65 PRP to wet leasing... Their latest money-making scheme is this new retirement plan. They stand to make a fortune off managing it especially if they are able to push this thing on to the rest of the airline industry. What happened to the survey results the first time they pitched it to us? It's a shame that for all of our hard work and all the money we pay the union, all we get is a single vote on such a critical life-changing agreement. For the reasons of non-industry leading pay, non-industry leading retirement, and ever-expanding wet-leasing, I'm voting NO. Please join me! We don't have to eat this! We always pass these bad agreements and then complain about them for years after. Let's do something different this time! It only took about a year to get a much better TA after Delta and United voted theirs down a few years ago. Let's just say NO for once!
06-22-2023, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Spot13
BINGO-NAILED IT ON THE HEAD. This is why our TA is a joke and does not even come close to meeting inflation. Scope do not even get me started. Tony C. summary does not even begin to explain
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