ALPA is a business. It's a business that doesn't produce, pack, ship, or deliver a single product. The Union's commodity is a Pilot Group that is forced to pay them no matter if their service is good, bad, or ugly (agency shop). They make their money off of us, from agency shop (2015 CBA Section 29) to insurance products to VEBA/Post 65 PRP to wet leasing... Their latest money-making scheme is this new retirement plan. They stand to make a fortune off managing it especially if they are able to push this thing on to the rest of the airline industry. What happened to the survey results the first time they pitched it to us? It's a shame that for all of our hard work and all the money we pay the union, all we get is a single vote on such a critical life-changing agreement. For the reasons of non-industry leading pay, non-industry leading retirement, and ever-expanding wet-leasing, I'm voting NO. Please join me! We don't have to eat this! We always pass these bad agreements and then complain about them for years after. Let's do something different this time! It only took about a year to get a much better TA after Delta and United voted theirs down a few years ago. Let's just say NO for once!

 

You are aware United isn't even close to a TA right? Have you followed whats gong on over there? Believe me you don't want to bet the farm on their process.

 

It would be much better to get people to join you if you don’t make such egregious mistakes as you did in your argument. You blew your credibility with not knowing who manages the new pancake-lite retirement plan

 

UAL guys are still arguing the Continental and United merger.

 

I've been hearing about ALPA's profit motives for 30 years.

Sure wish I knew where to buy stock.....

 

Almost like the "bad ole APC days"...I don't think we've both posted on APC on the same thread in 15 years!

 

Believe you? What makes you the expert? Ok then, believe me, the OP is correct here.

 

BINGO-NAILED IT ON THE HEAD. This is why our TA is a joke and does not even come close to meeting inflation. Scope do not even get me started. Tony C. summary does not even begin to explain

 

What exactly are you referring to in the TA that doesn’t come close to meeting inflation?

 

Pay rates.

A plan.

Two rather important items, I'd say.