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06-22-2023, 01:06 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by MalteseX
What exactly are you referring to in the TA that doesn’t come close to meeting inflation?
retirement is well behind inflation.
overrides and other fixed dollar amounts in the TA have not been adjusted for inflation
06-22-2023, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
Pay rates.
A plan.
Two rather important items, I'd say.
A plan.
Two rather important items, I'd say.
Just was wondering if he had numbers that were different. I did a calculation from BLS calculator that showed we needed approx $241K for the A plan to be worth what it was in 1999. Doesn’t come close.
But what I got for pay rates (only for the top rate) was slightly below. However, the TA web shows it above. If he has data that shows pay rates farther below that, it would be good if he could put the numbers on here. World like to see as many calculations we can get from others so I can see what reps say
06-22-2023, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MalteseX
That’s what I was assuming, but he didn’t say. And yes, I’d say they were important too. Very important.
Just was wondering if he had numbers that were different. I did a calculation from BLS calculator that showed we needed approx $241K for the A plan to be worth what it was in 1999. Doesn’t come close.
But what I got for pay rates (only for the top rate) was slightly below. However, the TA web shows it above. If he has data that shows pay rates farther below that, it would be good if he could put the numbers on here.
Just was wondering if he had numbers that were different. I did a calculation from BLS calculator that showed we needed approx $241K for the A plan to be worth what it was in 1999. Doesn’t come close.
But what I got for pay rates (only for the top rate) was slightly below. However, the TA web shows it above. If he has data that shows pay rates farther below that, it would be good if he could put the numbers on here.
for someone on year 2 or 3 widebody pay the proposed raise isn’t even 14%…
that’s extremely sad/pathetic, especially when you consider the sacrifices we made during Covid that made the company billions to buy back stock with.
06-22-2023, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
pay rates are well behind inflation.
retirement is well behind inflation.
overrides and other fixed dollar amounts in the TA have not been adjusted for inflation
retirement is well behind inflation.
overrides and other fixed dollar amounts in the TA have not been adjusted for inflation
06-22-2023, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MalteseX
Yes. I was wanting him to specify if he had anything else. I got A plan at very far below inflation. Also got pay rates lower as well, but not far below. Still not good But you also mention overrides etc. That’s good. I totally missed those
06-22-2023, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by magic rat
Believe you? What makes you the expert? Ok then, believe me, the OP is correct here.
06-22-2023, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bitwiser
Another easy comparison is to social security payouts. Since our last pay raise in 2020, beneficiaries have received cumulative COLA increases of 16.6%. And unlike our TA, they didn't horse trade anything else to get it. Maybe I'm just an entitled pilot, but I think beating SS increases shouldn't just be a goal, it should be a given. Pathetic pay rates only begin to describe this disaster of a TA. Easiest NO vote in history.
They videotaped the Roadshow. They showed what inflation was since the first contract and where we are in relation to that line......Counting our pay raise in Feb, after DOS in Aug....this would give us something like 17.1 don't quote me on that...number is not in front of me.
06-23-2023, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
They videotaped the Roadshow. They showed what inflation was since the first contract and where we are in relation to that line......Counting our pay raise in Feb, after DOS in Aug....this would give us something like 17.1 don't quote me on that...number is not in front of me.
If that 17.1 is correct, then that means by some metrics we would just barely match inflation, and by others still be lacking. But I don't have those number in front of me either.
So while *maybe* matching our pay to inflation, we then gave away: QOL items, opened a gaping hole in scope, and effectively axed the defined benefit plan...all to fund the pseudo pancake retirement plan?
06-23-2023, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
They videotaped the Roadshow. They showed what inflation was since the first contract and where we are in relation to that line......Counting our pay raise in Feb, after DOS in Aug....this would give us something like 17.1 don't quote me on that...number is not in front of me.
Besides, when was the last time we shot for just matching inflation?
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