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#11
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 795
#12
in fairness, I suggested in another thread we let the vitriol rest for the day. We lost a great guy.....2019 hire.....UnusualAttitude was probably unaware that's what I was referring to. I was not trying to be snarky, nor do I think UnusualAttitude was flippant.....crossed communication here
#13
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Joined APC: Jun 2023
Posts: 102
It could be worse....Delta + a nickel would mean we have to look like Delta too with a double breasted blazer, hat, Less Vacation, No A fund, and PBS, not to mention a whole lot less Widebody/Narrow Body ratio.......
I thought I wanted "Cash over Cap", until I found out the benefits of cash balance plan (which I am only not partaking because of my age).....that money is Cash over...but protected as a DB.....
I thought I wanted "Cash over Cap", until I found out the benefits of cash balance plan (which I am only not partaking because of my age).....that money is Cash over...but protected as a DB.....
#14
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Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 48
-You do realize that Delta has way more contractually protected paid time off a year, right? Their sick leave blow ours out of the water and doesn't require a note until above 120 hrs, a full 48 hrs greater than all the sick leave we earn in a year. That difference makes up any gap in vacation CH.
-Our A plan is being given away for all new hires and anyone not already vested. Try again
-We have PBS. I don't care how much you try to say we don't, we 100% do. And all those folks don't get their schedules until 4 days before the next bid period starts. Simply insane
Ohh, you mean like Delta, AA, and UAL all have or about to have as well? "Cash over cap" that goes to the exact same MBCBP you are so high on. No artificial IRS limits imposed.
#15
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 751
It could be worse....Delta + a nickel would mean we have to look like Delta too with a double breasted blazer, hat, Less Vacation, No A fund, and PBS, not to mention a whole lot less Widebody/Narrow Body ratio.......
I thought I wanted "Cash over Cap", until I found out the benefits of cash balance plan (which I am only not partaking because of my age).....that money is Cash over...but protected as a DB.....
I thought I wanted "Cash over Cap", until I found out the benefits of cash balance plan (which I am only not partaking because of my age).....that money is Cash over...but protected as a DB.....
Cash over Cap with a spillover MBCBP at 18% is far superior to our IRS limited 9%DC / MBCBP 11%.
Oh, and we’d have to spend more negotiating capital to get cash over cap in the next contract.
#16
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Joined APC: Apr 2023
Posts: 139
It could be worse....Delta + a nickel would mean we have to look like Delta too with a double breasted blazer, hat, Less Vacation, No A fund, and PBS, not to mention a whole lot less Widebody/Narrow Body ratio.......
I thought I wanted "Cash over Cap", until I found out the benefits of cash balance plan (which I am only not partaking because of my age).....that money is Cash over...but protected as a DB.....
I thought I wanted "Cash over Cap", until I found out the benefits of cash balance plan (which I am only not partaking because of my age).....that money is Cash over...but protected as a DB.....
Delta’s set up is better. Eventual 18% DC with cash over cap spillover option into a MBCBP that’s managed by a 3rd party, not the company. Or pilots can take the cash over cap as taxable income and spend it elsewhere, like on real estate or some other income producing asset, which is smart instead of having all your retirement in a tax advantaged account that Uncle Sam probably will creatively try to tax years from now to avoid defaulting on all our outstanding government debt. Or, pilots could choose to spend the cash over cap on anything else they want. The fact our union didn’t even try to give us this option shows you how out of touch they are.
The only positive about the MBCBP is it provides a lump sum cash option instead of waiting on a pension that’s lost purchasing power for 25+ years. But the way our MBCBP is setup is a true disappointment.
Bottom line, be weary of anyone trying to sell you on this thing, especially if they say they’re taking the pension because of their timing. It’s likely they don’t know what they’re talking about.
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