Originally Posted by Emmerson Bigs (Post 3667607)

What does income have to do with furloughs? If they're making that income in a system form needing X number of pilots and they have X+800, then that's all the reason they need to furlough. That's what happens at pax carriers. Demand goes down (doesn't matter if it's self loading cargo or freight), profits may continue at a lower level or they may go into the red. Just because pax carriers are typically losing money when they furlough doesn't have any bearing on our situation. The bottom line is that furlough is used when there isn't a way to gainfully employ a portion of the workforce - period. Corporation income has nothing to do with it. Very likely we'll continue to turn a profit, as usual. What do you think is going to happen - the company is going to use their income to subsidize 700-800 pilots they won't need for the foreseeable future?
TA fail or pass, I don't think the predicted exodus of retirements is a likely outcome. Pass - pilots who can will stay around to max out their A-fund bump and make all they can at the new, higher pay rates. Fail - those who can will stick around hoping for a TA 2.0 bump before they get shown the door. Then there's also the Age 67 factor too.

Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 3667674)

Being overstaffed is a singular current event created by FDX management. The CBA is not a tool to address manning. Full stop.

Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3667682)

I was suggesting that the sky is not falling. Furlough has huge implications for the company and a hit to the brand. There are options for the company to use in our current CBA before furlough that clearly the union hasn’t even discussed with them.

Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3667691)

We have a winner!

Originally Posted by Emmerson Bigs (Post 3667697)

Concerns over brand with regards to furlough doesn't seem to big a big concern to management. Their focus seems to be on shareholders and stock buy-back. As far as the CBA options, there's not a whole lot of discussion needed. That's why they're in the CBA. It's already been discussed and agreed upon. If and when the SAM hits the appropriate triggers, the 4A2b and 4A2c provisions will likely be invoked. There are specifics things for the company and the Association to discuss at that point - which is "before furlough". As the MEC chair said in his message today, "the company doesn't share its plans for the over staffing". So until CBA triggers are met, I'm not sure what it is you're expecting ALPA to discuss with the company.

Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 3668099)

what will John Dietrich do?

C. Incentive Plan
The Company may, at its option, elect to avoid or mitigate a furlough by offering pilots or a specific group of pilots (using age or seniority, unless the Association consents to an alternate selection criteria) voluntary early retirement and/or severance package. If made to a specific group of pilots, any offer shall be made on a uniform and non-discriminatory basis . The Company shall notify, meet and consult with the Association prior to making any offer pursuant to this paragraph .

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Furlough

Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3668101)

If I get furloughed, I get furloughed, sucks but I'm not worried about it.

What I am worried about is what he's going to do when I'm on furlough, and I'm willing to bet that involves a ton of third party lift.

Originally Posted by Idaho (Post 3668474)

Probation should end after 365 days from DOH. If FedEx wants to waste money and time taking 4 months to get someone through training that's not our problem. Once you become a line pilot (passed your IOE ride) you should probably get to have a vote. Is this an ALPA policy or company driven that you can't vote until probation is over? Certainly that person has more at stake, if anything.