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Merle Haggard 07-15-2023 04:16 PM

4a.2.b/c
 
It is unconscionable and frankly stupid to me that we repeatedly agree to this clause without any qualifications. I am quite sure that the ever-present "intent" of 4.a.2.b. was to help the cause in the event of a force majeure event like 9-11, a war, a natural disaster, etc. How has it become a fallback for management to backtrack on poor decision making or changing their minds about strategy, or just being bent over by activists? It should really be tied to a certain number of consecutive unprofitable quarters or some other metric that proves that the management is in a corner. Invoking 4.a.2.c. while profitable is ludicrous and we need to tighten that $h!t up in TA 2.0.

mdeshazo 07-15-2023 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3666594)
It is unconscionable and frankly stupid to me that we repeatedly agree to this clause without any qualifications. I am quite sure that the ever-present "intent" of 4.a.2.b. was to help the cause in the event of a force majeure event like 9-11, a war, a natural disaster, etc. How has it become a fallback for management to backtrack on poor decision making or changing their minds about strategy, or just being bent over by activists? It should really be tied to a certain number of consecutive unprofitable quarters or some other metric that proves that the management is in a corner. Invoking 4.a.2.c. while profitable is ludicrous and we need to tighten that $h!t up in TA 2.0.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

threeighteen 07-15-2023 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3666594)
It is unconscionable and frankly stupid to me that we repeatedly agree to this clause without any qualifications. I am quite sure that the ever-present "intent" of 4.a.2.b. was to help the cause in the event of a force majeure event like 9-11, a war, a natural disaster, etc. How has it become a fallback for management to backtrack on poor decision making or changing their minds about strategy, or just being bent over by activists? It should really be tied to a certain number of consecutive unprofitable quarters or some other metric that proves that the management is in a corner. Invoking 4.a.2.c. while profitable is ludicrous and we need to tighten that $h!t up in TA 2.0.

amen brother

TomAce 07-15-2023 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3666594)
It is unconscionable and frankly stupid to me that we repeatedly agree to this clause without any qualifications. I am quite sure that the ever-present "intent" of 4.a.2.b. was to help the cause in the event of a force majeure event like 9-11, a war, a natural disaster, etc. How has it become a fallback for management to backtrack on poor decision making or changing their minds about strategy, or just being bent over by activists? It should really be tied to a certain number of consecutive unprofitable quarters or some other metric that proves that the management is in a corner. Invoking 4.a.2.c. while profitable is ludicrous and we need to tighten that $h!t up in TA 2.0.

Exactly. Express made over $1 billion in operating income in FY 2023. In Q4 (ending May 31 of this year), they made $430 million at 4.1% operating margin. To be threatening furloughs right now is almost comical.

BertMacklinFBI 07-16-2023 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 3666594)
It is unconscionable and frankly stupid to me that we repeatedly agree to this clause without any qualifications. I am quite sure that the ever-present "intent" of 4.a.2.b. was to help the cause in the event of a force majeure event like 9-11, a war, a natural disaster, etc. How has it become a fallback for management to backtrack on poor decision making or changing their minds about strategy, or just being bent over by activists? It should really be tied to a certain number of consecutive unprofitable quarters or some other metric that proves that the management is in a corner. Invoking 4.a.2.c. while profitable is ludicrous and we need to tighten that $h!t up in TA 2.0.


excellent perspective

Flying Boxes 07-16-2023 07:22 AM


Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3666727)
Exactly. Express made over $1 billion in operating income in FY 2023. In Q4 (ending May 31 of this year), they made $430 million at 4.1% operating margin. To be threatening furloughs right now is almost comical.

FedEx isn’t.

ALPA IS!

Nordhavn 07-16-2023 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Flying Boxes (Post 3666991)
FedEx isn’t.

ALPA IS!

Ya but the NC has the inside info on what the company will do if the TA is voted down. ALPA at the regional level has more balls than FX ALPA. What a joke.

CloudSailor 07-16-2023 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by Nordhavn (Post 3667042)
... ALPA at the regional level has more balls than FX ALPA...

That has been exactly my experience.

pinseeker 07-16-2023 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by Nordhavn (Post 3667042)
Ya but the NC has the inside info on what the company will do if the TA is voted down. ALPA at the regional level has more balls than FX ALPA. What a joke.

Too bad you’re not a Fedex pilot. We may need some people to fill some MEC positions.

ogarmyopar 07-16-2023 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Nordhavn (Post 3667042)
Ya but the NC has the inside info on what the company will do if the TA is voted down. ALPA at the regional level has more balls than FX ALPA. What a joke.

ALPA leadership at FedEx is an absolute joke. May and Norman should be ashamed at themselves for providing a concessionary industry worst divisive contract then essentially threatening probationary ALPA members with a furlough who don’t even have a vote in the matter. How it is not a complete conflict of interest to have 2/4 of the major players in this negotiation retiring very soon while trying to negotiate an increased pension at the last minute is beyond me.

As someone who would absolutely be furloughed in the event of a furlough DO NOT vote yes for this because of the fear inducing slander these boobs are regurgitating. Those of us on the so called chopping block IF that were to happen would land just fine with every passenger carrier on earth hiring and regional airlines offering 100k signing bonuses and direct entry captain positions with longevity honored. Try me

Fedex has been nothing short of a disappointment for me so far and a long ways away from the bs that was spoken to us during indoc by management pilots about the best job in the world, how much money we are going to make, hiring 7000 pilots…

before you tell me to leave I can promise you I’m looking at all options and very seriously considering it


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