The road to the promised land
07-25-2023, 04:34 AM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Position: B767
Posts: 425
It’s so fascinating to see grown adults have temper tantrums because they lost. You know it was a subpar deal and you’re only upset because you won’t get a pay raise right now, don’t get the bump to your A plan yet, and won’t get the signing bonus yet. Also, to echo the guy above me, great first post. You’re calling for people to post their real names but you made an alt account to post this? Nice!
07-25-2023, 04:40 AM
#13
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 87
Originally Posted by FalseProphet
Well Helter Skelter is upon us! The 12 Angry Men mis-represented, twisted and down-right lied to instill fear and distrust of the people who had labored selflessly for this pilot group. You leaders of men who hide behind pseudonyms and pontificate from positions of complete ignorance have succeeded in losing millions of dollars of income, not just for today but for the lifetimes of our pilots.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.
THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.
So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.
Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.
THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.
So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.
Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you.
07-25-2023, 05:35 AM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: MD-88 FO
Posts: 1,558
Originally Posted by FalseProphet
Well Helter Skelter is upon us! The 12 Angry Men mis-represented, twisted and down-right lied to instill fear and distrust of the people who had labored selflessly for this pilot group. You leaders of men who hide behind pseudonyms and pontificate from positions of complete ignorance have succeeded in losing millions of dollars of income, not just for today but for the lifetimes of our pilots.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.
THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.
So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.
Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.
THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.
So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.
Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you.
07-25-2023, 06:03 AM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Position: Wichita
Posts: 684
Originally Posted by FalseProphet
Well Helter Skelter is upon us! The 12 Angry Men mis-represented, twisted and down-right lied to instill fear and distrust of the people who had labored selflessly for this pilot group. You leaders of men who hide behind pseudonyms and pontificate from positions of complete ignorance have succeeded in losing millions of dollars of income, not just for today but for the lifetimes of our pilots.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.
THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.
So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.
Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.
THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.
So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.
Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you.
07-25-2023, 06:21 AM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 616
You sound like a spoiled little brat who didn’t get his oompa loompa right now!
If you are losing out on the A-plan bump, you had several past negotiations in which to fight for IRS limits.
If you need the retro pay, cut back on spending
if you need the less-than-industry-standard hourly pay increase, sell the house and downgrade.
Sorry we drug you into a fight, but for the majority on property it is clearly worth it. You don’t have to roll up your sleeves and duke it out with us, but at least stop cheering for the other side.
If you are losing out on the A-plan bump, you had several past negotiations in which to fight for IRS limits.
If you need the retro pay, cut back on spending
if you need the less-than-industry-standard hourly pay increase, sell the house and downgrade.
Sorry we drug you into a fight, but for the majority on property it is clearly worth it. You don’t have to roll up your sleeves and duke it out with us, but at least stop cheering for the other side.
07-25-2023, 08:32 AM
#18
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2013
Position: MD
Posts: 62
"6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property."
mmm, which union? Oh prophetic one? FT ALPA? FPA? ALPA ALPA? and uh, the polling always addressed the same issues in each poll? Every MEC? uh, the FPA had a MEC?
Huh, Really dude?
mmm, which union? Oh prophetic one? FT ALPA? FPA? ALPA ALPA? and uh, the polling always addressed the same issues in each poll? Every MEC? uh, the FPA had a MEC?
Huh, Really dude?
07-25-2023, 12:22 PM
#19
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,622
Originally Posted by FalseProphet
Well Helter Skelter is upon us! The 12 Angry Men mis-represented, twisted and down-right lied to instill fear and distrust of the people who had labored selflessly for this pilot group. You leaders of men who hide behind pseudonyms and pontificate from positions of complete ignorance have succeeded in losing millions of dollars of income, not just for today but for the lifetimes of our pilots.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.
THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.
So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.
Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.
THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.
So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.
Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you.
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