MEC at AOC on 8/24
08-26-2023, 09:08 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by ogarmyopar
3 years it is then. Not a single thing in the May TA was appealing. Bunch of pushovers
Originally Posted by threeighteen
Looks like a 3 year deal then.
08-26-2023, 09:23 AM
#12
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Most shocking bullet point is them telling us we should be concerned about single pilot ops. Someone needs to explain the “Project Morgan” slides. If they want to shed pilots, that would be a faster method than Delta offering guaranteed interviews.
Also, what does the NMB view as a “reasonable request?” Industry average pay and work rules? Scope provisions that allow us to keep our jobs? You can’t just tell us we’re “different” and worth less than any other ATP out there without some reasoning behind that.
Not a good update. Sickening.
Also, what does the NMB view as a “reasonable request?” Industry average pay and work rules? Scope provisions that allow us to keep our jobs? You can’t just tell us we’re “different” and worth less than any other ATP out there without some reasoning behind that.
Not a good update. Sickening.
08-26-2023, 11:45 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by Smoked
Most shocking bullet point is them telling us we should be concerned about single pilot ops. Someone needs to explain the “Project Morgan” slides. If they want to shed pilots, that would be a faster method than Delta offering guaranteed interviews.
Also, what does the NMB view as a “reasonable request?” Industry average pay and work rules? Scope provisions that allow us to keep our jobs? You can’t just tell us we’re “different” and worth less than any other ATP out there without some reasoning behind that.
Not a good update. Sickening.
Also, what does the NMB view as a “reasonable request?” Industry average pay and work rules? Scope provisions that allow us to keep our jobs? You can’t just tell us we’re “different” and worth less than any other ATP out there without some reasoning behind that.
Not a good update. Sickening.
Just like Company will never increase A Fund?
Did the NMB really say that?
08-26-2023, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TomAce
3 years, money lost from TA1 is unrecoverable.
I wasn’t a fan of the TA, but our best bet is a deal before peak that fixes pay, retro, and scope.
I wasn’t a fan of the TA, but our best bet is a deal before peak that fixes pay, retro, and scope.
08-26-2023, 01:25 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by Flying Boxes
I don’t trust this MEC after furlough scare tactics.
Just like Company will never increase A Fund?
Did the NMB really say that?
Just like Company will never increase A Fund?
Did the NMB really say that?
It is funny how the SIG did an about face the literal month following the failed TA though. I’ll take good news where I can get it, but seems like no one can see farther than their nose right now.
08-26-2023, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoked
To be fair, furloughs could still happen. Just have to meet the wickets in the CBA to do it. This bottoming out/small uptick into peak might keep us floating above 4a2 levels until February or so. Still lots of “driving” to be done in FY24.
It is funny how the SIG did an about face the literal month following the failed TA though. I’ll take good news where I can get it, but seems like no one can see farther than their nose right now.
It is funny how the SIG did an about face the literal month following the failed TA though. I’ll take good news where I can get it, but seems like no one can see farther than their nose right now.
It’s about union telling crew force what will happen without being part of the business discussions within the company! So is it the same with what NMB. is saying or are they “interpreting potential outcomes” without knowledge trying to save themselves more embarrassment.
08-26-2023, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TomAce
3 years, money lost from TA1 is unrecoverable.
I wasn’t a fan of the TA, but our best bet is a deal before peak that fixes pay, retro, and scope.
I wasn’t a fan of the TA, but our best bet is a deal before peak that fixes pay, retro, and scope.
Money can be recovered with retro pay. Give away QOL/retirement and it’s gone forever.
08-26-2023, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Fix the retirement boondoggle and the QOL concessions too or we’ll tank this thing in front of your eyes again.
Money can be recovered with retro pay. Give away QOL/retirement and it’s gone forever.
Money can be recovered with retro pay. Give away QOL/retirement and it’s gone forever.
What is your retirement solution?
08-26-2023, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TomAce
Not all of the money can ever be replaced with retro. Nor can the experiences and things that money can buy over 3 years time.
What is your retirement solution?
What is your retirement solution?
The retirement solution is simple. 230k pension for everyone and 12% DC with cash over cap. Anything that doesn’t have cash over cap is a non starter. Giving up the pension for new-hires is a nonstarter. Not improving the B plan is a nonstarter.
If we push forward yet another deal that screws our junior pilots, it will fail.
Last edited by threeighteen; 08-26-2023 at 02:51 PM.
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