Let's Talk Fedex 757 Pay Rates...
01-08-2024 | 08:08 AM
#71
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,174
Likes: 1
FXLAX posted "I dont want what other passenger airlines have. I want THIS airline to have BETTER than what passenger airlines have. We have a good system form that provides mostly what most pilots like. Now I'd like to see us go towards being industry leading at some point in the next couple of contract cycles. I'll do my best and my part to help us get there. Its my goal but at least its not to toil in the mid to lower teir pilot contracts."
I thoroughly agree with this. I used PBS as one large item that we do not want, I could have added things such as their vacation which is way worse than ours. I used one instance why we do not want to preach industry standard. We want what is best for Fedex pilots and how we operate. Of course other airlines provide metrics and we should not ignore what they have.
In the past when we were way ahead the company wanted to compare us to the majors, of course they only want to compare when we are ahead. Now that we are behind they say we are different and you can't compare. I know who the enemy is. I might have been here a long time but I know who pays me and also sees me as a cost center where they will try and save money.
I thoroughly agree with this. I used PBS as one large item that we do not want, I could have added things such as their vacation which is way worse than ours. I used one instance why we do not want to preach industry standard. We want what is best for Fedex pilots and how we operate. Of course other airlines provide metrics and we should not ignore what they have.
In the past when we were way ahead the company wanted to compare us to the majors, of course they only want to compare when we are ahead. Now that we are behind they say we are different and you can't compare. I know who the enemy is. I might have been here a long time but I know who pays me and also sees me as a cost center where they will try and save money.
We aren't going to get everything this time around. I mean, we are only negotaiting a few things on TA2. But we need to start somewhere. Maybe in a couple of contract cycles we will be back on top and managment will change their tune again on who to compare us to.
01-08-2024 | 08:23 AM
#72
Line Holder
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,357
Likes: 133
You think I want to give up things for the company, you have read into all of that. I never said to give up a thing. I mostly say we need to get what is best for us and to stop parrotting industry standard. I want us to be unified because that is the only way we will get the contract that we want. In fighting.especially between jubior and senior will get us nothiing but a crap contract.
I have friends at all of the majors so I talk with them all the time. So I do not have my head in the sand on what is occuring outside of Fedex.
I have friends at all of the majors so I talk with them all the time. So I do not have my head in the sand on what is occuring outside of Fedex.
01-08-2024 | 08:51 AM
#73
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,174
Likes: 1
You think I want to give up things for the company, you have read into all of that. I never said to give up a thing. I mostly say we need to get what is best for us and to stop parrotting industry standard. I want us to be unified because that is the only way we will get the contract that we want. In fighting.especially between jubior and senior will get us nothiing but a crap contract.
I have friends at all of the majors so I talk with them all the time. So I do not have my head in the sand on what is occuring outside of Fedex.
I have friends at all of the majors so I talk with them all the time. So I do not have my head in the sand on what is occuring outside of Fedex.
PS, your delta freind was wrong. Please use the contract comparisons so you actually know what industry standard is currently. At this point, I'd be content with industry standard and a few industry leading items (line bidding, vacation, retirement). I hope one day itll be industry leading with a few industry standard items.
01-08-2024 | 09:17 AM
#74
Aspiring PSA Captain
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 1,099
Likes: 157
I believe that we have turned PBS aginst ourselves and make it appear far more valuable than it is. Our schedule is far more driven by system form than any of the pax carriers.
I'm not saying this to advocate for PBS. For one it would be disastrous to our vacation policy. I just don't think it holds the massive value to the company that we give it credit for. It has a much more limited utility here.
They have an airsoft held to our head and we treat it like a .45
I'm not saying this to advocate for PBS. For one it would be disastrous to our vacation policy. I just don't think it holds the massive value to the company that we give it credit for. It has a much more limited utility here.
They have an airsoft held to our head and we treat it like a .45
01-08-2024 | 10:10 AM
#75
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 831
Likes: 68
I believe that we have turned PBS aginst ourselves and make it appear far more valuable than it is. Our schedule is far more driven by system form than any of the pax carriers.
I'm not saying this to advocate for PBS. For one it would be disastrous to our vacation policy. I just don't think it holds the massive value to the company that we give it credit for. It has a much more limited utility here.
They have an airsoft held to our head and we treat it like a .45
I'm not saying this to advocate for PBS. For one it would be disastrous to our vacation policy. I just don't think it holds the massive value to the company that we give it credit for. It has a much more limited utility here.
They have an airsoft held to our head and we treat it like a .45
01-08-2024 | 11:05 AM
#76
Line Holder
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,357
Likes: 133
I use PBS as a quick example and the two of you run off on a tangent like I said I would trade your new born to keep PBS.
My friend is on the LEC at Delta and spent man hours duing their TA talking to pilots in their crew room and on the phone about the contract. So I assumed he was a good source.
My friend is on the LEC at Delta and spent man hours duing their TA talking to pilots in their crew room and on the phone about the contract. So I assumed he was a good source.
01-08-2024 | 11:06 AM
#77
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,443
Likes: 280
Yes, they are more sensitive to the economy and they can furlough, but the notion that furloughs will occur at any hiccup is an old line of thinking. They are more resilient and consolidation has led to a different paradigm.
01-08-2024 | 11:40 AM
#78
Line Holder
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,357
Likes: 133
They got bailed out because of COVID, not because they are to big to fail. Looking at their explosive growth right now and how they are trying to capture market share, thee will be winners and losers. With the highly leveraged aircraft purchase a big slow down and you will see cut backs real fast.
01-08-2024 | 11:55 AM
#79
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,443
Likes: 280
They got bailed out because of COVID, not because they are to big to fail. Looking at their explosive growth right now and how they are trying to capture market share, thee will be winners and losers. With the highly leveraged aircraft purchase a big slow down and you will see cut backs real fast.
The other factor is retirements. There has never been a retirement wave like this one. And it will blunt staffing overages for a while to come. There was no such shock absorber in previous crises.
I ask again, how long as it been since the big 3 furloughed?
01-08-2024 | 12:07 PM
#80
Aspiring PSA Captain
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 1,099
Likes: 157
They got bailed out because of COVID, not because they are to big to fail. Looking at their explosive growth right now and how they are trying to capture market share, thee will be winners and losers. With the highly leveraged aircraft purchase a big slow down and you will see cut backs real fast.
Good point.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
