Let's Talk Fedex 757 Pay Rates...
#61
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We are behind on these things partly because we are operating on a contract that is over eight years old. Hopefully we learned that a six year contract plus the usual company dragging their feet for two years is not the way to go. Yes we need to inprove on a lot of items. Dragging out getting a new contract will put us even futher behind. A lot of these items we were ahead until last year.
#62
Industry standard also includes profit sharing of 10% pre-tax up to $2.5B and 20% pre-tax above $2.5B, and cash over cash, and 8 holiday pay days, and retro of 4/4/14/first pay raise, and snap up provisions, and training pay of 5 hours a day, and full B fund contributions during LTD, and no cap on LTD, and no offsets on LTD, and 1:3.5 duty rig, and hotels during CQ and sub, and scope that protects extraterritorial flying and belly freight assurances. That doesn't include reserve rules and I can keep going on other items as well. How much far behind do we have to get before you stop using the PBS excuse? The fact we are line bidding is one of about three things we may be ahead on.
Wht did you cherry pick everyones contract? Delta get 4:15 per training day. Jury is out on the retro pay raise. Belly freight and extraterritorial flying is all smoke and mirrors by other carriers, they are doing the same thing we are. I have had multiple times when a UPS can was loaded onto my flight. Snap up looks good, how about when they start to snap down. Got to make a profit to share it.
This place is the official airline of Stockholm Syndrome (actually scratch that - I'm sure ASL is flying Stockholm). Company shills are all around us.
max8222, please show me the contracts with "snap down". You really don't understand what's happening around you.
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I am well aware of what is happening around me. Since you probably were not around a snap down is when the airlines go bankrupt and gut the contracts. I forgot this is the new deal and it can never happen again. Guess I was a sleep during COVID when the pax carriers should have gone bankrupt if they didn't get bailed out. Huge reason for the leverage and pilot shortage they have now is because the airlines used the government COVID money to offer early retirements to save money and prevent layoffs.
The only thing that FXLAX gets is the envy he has of his pax friends. He should join them since he gets it.
The only thing that FXLAX gets is the envy he has of his pax friends. He should join them since he gets it.
#64
I am well aware of what is happening around me. Since you probably were not around a snap down is when the airlines go bankrupt and gut the contracts. I forgot this is the new deal and it can never happen again. Guess I was a sleep during COVID when the pax carriers should have gone bankrupt if they didn't get bailed out. Huge reason for the leverage and pilot shortage they have now is because the airlines used the government COVID money to offer early retirements to save money and prevent layoffs.
The only thing that FXLAX gets is the envy he has of his pax friends. He should join them since he gets it.
The only thing that FXLAX gets is the envy he has of his pax friends. He should join them since he gets it.
this is dumbest thing we will read today. just another company lackey with Stockholm Syndrome.
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I am well aware of what is happening around me. Since you probably were not around a snap down is when the airlines go bankrupt and gut the contracts. I forgot this is the new deal and it can never happen again. Guess I was a sleep during COVID when the pax carriers should have gone bankrupt if they didn't get bailed out. Huge reason for the leverage and pilot shortage they have now is because the airlines used the government COVID money to offer early retirements to save money and prevent layoffs.
The only thing that FXLAX gets is the envy he has of his pax friends. He should join them since he gets it.
The only thing that FXLAX gets is the envy he has of his pax friends. He should join them since he gets it.
I think it's time we all put your anti-pilot, pro-company posts on our ignore list.
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We are behind on these things partly because we are operating on a contract that is over eight years old. Hopefully we learned that a six year contract plus the usual company dragging their feet for two years is not the way to go. Yes we need to inprove on a lot of items. Dragging out getting a new contract will put us even futher behind. A lot of these items we were ahead until last year.
Anyway, many of the items I listed have been industry standard: profit sharing, cash over cap, holiday pay, snap up provisions, 3.5 duty rig, hotels during cq and sub, even the scope protections I mentioned. The other items, maybe one or two of the three legacies didn't have. That means that one or two did have those items since before this industry negotiating cycle. For what we do, we should be one of those airlines that has those items and others pattern bargain off of us. But we wont ever get to that point unless people like you stop throwing out the old tired, we don't have pbs, argument EVERY time somone tries to make a point why we should be industry leading, much less industry standard.
There seeems to be a culture change happening where the bottom of the seniority list feel more like I do than how you do. I'll I ask is not to get in the way of those of us who are trying to be a strong unified pilot group who wants to fight for more than what we have becuase we deserve better than what other pilot groups have fought for in their contract gains.
Its more embarrasment that we have pilots here that argue for mediocrity. I dont want what other passenger airlines have. I want THIS airline to have BETTER than what passenger airlines have. We have a good system form that provides mostly what most pilots like. Now I'd like to see us go towards being industry leading at some point in the next couple of contract cycles. I'll do my best and my part to help us get there. Its my goal but at least its not to toil in the mid to lower teir pilot contracts.
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Pax carriers will never layoff agian, right. Seems like you have no idea of what the industry is like.
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FXLAX posted "I dont want what other passenger airlines have. I want THIS airline to have BETTER than what passenger airlines have. We have a good system form that provides mostly what most pilots like. Now I'd like to see us go towards being industry leading at some point in the next couple of contract cycles. I'll do my best and my part to help us get there. Its my goal but at least its not to toil in the mid to lower teir pilot contracts."
I thoroughly agree with this. I used PBS as one large item that we do not want, I could have added things such as their vacation which is way worse than ours. I used one instance why we do not want to preach industry standard. We want what is best for Fedex pilots and how we operate. Of course other airlines provide metrics and we should not ignore what they have.
In the past when we were way ahead the company wanted to compare us to the majors, of course they only want to compare when we are ahead. Now that we are behind they say we are different and you can't compare. I know who the enemy is. I might have been here a long time but I know who pays me and also sees me as a cost center where they will try and save money.
I thoroughly agree with this. I used PBS as one large item that we do not want, I could have added things such as their vacation which is way worse than ours. I used one instance why we do not want to preach industry standard. We want what is best for Fedex pilots and how we operate. Of course other airlines provide metrics and we should not ignore what they have.
In the past when we were way ahead the company wanted to compare us to the majors, of course they only want to compare when we are ahead. Now that we are behind they say we are different and you can't compare. I know who the enemy is. I might have been here a long time but I know who pays me and also sees me as a cost center where they will try and save money.
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I am well aware of what is happening around me. Since you probably were not around a snap down is when the airlines go bankrupt and gut the contracts. I forgot this is the new deal and it can never happen again. Guess I was a sleep during COVID when the pax carriers should have gone bankrupt if they didn't get bailed out. Huge reason for the leverage and pilot shortage they have now is because the airlines used the government COVID money to offer early retirements to save money and prevent layoffs.
The only thing that FXLAX gets is the envy he has of his pax friends. He should join them since he gets it.
The only thing that FXLAX gets is the envy he has of his pax friends. He should join them since he gets it.
Unlike you, I have worked at multiple passenger airlines (LCC and legacy) prior to FX.
FXLAX has it right. You clearly seem not to want to acknowledge the realities of working here.
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