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01-11-2024 | 04:06 AM

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Our WB rates were comporable to other's top pay aircraft. That's what I said only becuase I saw the pay rate comparison tables from contract TAs from the 2000s.

I have posted the rates from the legacies contracts and from ours. You said....

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Someone should be once the pay rate comparison tables for the 2006 and 2011 TAs and it showed our WB rates more or less in line with everyobody else's top pay rates.

I posted the 2006 rate as "For example, DAL top 777 rate in 2006 was $186 while our MD11 rate, soon to be our 777 rate, was $225." And in 2012, part of the 2011 contract and after DAL signed a new contract, I posted "DALPA signed a contract with their top WB for 2012 at $235 per hour. Our rate in March of 2012 was $261 per hour."

So, are you saying that rates that were between $26 to $39 per hour lower are comparable?

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Yes, UAL has offsets. I wasn't including pbgc offsets (that only affect those who have a pension and are on ltd) and offsets that expire after 3 years. And they did get rid of the other offsets. Nonetheless, that is still more closer to standard than ours. So it doesn't hurt the case I was making.

Well, first you said...

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And they get 17% while on LTD. And their LTDs have no offsets.

Then you said...

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LTD, two of the three legacies have no caps either. Its become industry standard.

I have shown that both of those statements are not correct. So yes, it does hurt your argument. Do you even know what the offsets are for DAL, UAL, and us? You got the UAL one wrong in this post. What is the offset and LTD at Fedex?

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Ok, the 757. I agree with you there...up to the point that the UAL TA was ratified. Now industry standard is that the 757 is pay banded with the 767-300. This is not a disengenous argument unless you think you can make the arugment that since the 757 paid $120/hour (or whatever it was) 17 years ago that we cannot say it needs to be hiegh now along with other's contractual gains on the 757.

Peronally, I'd like to see a single blended rate with credit for training savings.

Not really sure what you are trying to get at here. The 757 being banded with the 767-300 has been industry standard for a long time, so I don't know what the UAL TA has to do with anything. That wasn't something that just happened in 2023.

01-11-2024 | 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JustInFacts

I have posted the rates from the legacies contracts and from ours. You said....

I posted the 2006 rate as "For example, DAL top 777 rate in 2006 was $186 while our MD11 rate, soon to be our 777 rate, was $225." And in 2012, part of the 2011 contract and after DAL signed a new contract, I posted "DALPA signed a contract with their top WB for 2012 at $235 per hour. Our rate in March of 2012 was $261 per hour."

So, are you saying that rates that were between $26 to $39 per hour lower are comparable?

Well, first you said...

Then you said...

I have shown that both of those statements are not correct. So yes, it does hurt your argument. Do you even know what the offsets are for DAL, UAL, and us? You got the UAL one wrong in this post. What is the offset and LTD at Fedex?

Not really sure what you are trying to get at here. The 757 being banded with the 767-300 has been industry standard for a long time, so I don't know what the UAL TA has to do with anything. That wasn't something that just happened in 2023.

So you’re saying we were paid more than Delta in the past, but do not deserve to now ?

01-11-2024 | 11:30 AM

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Our contract is worth more per pilot than Deltas, We just put too much of the value in the retirement a plan.

01-11-2024 | 12:59 PM

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Our contract is worth more per pilot than Deltas, We just put too much of the value in the retirement a plan.

I find that exceptionally hard to believe.

01-11-2024 | 02:30 PM

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Maddog64

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Alpa national does a cost analysis on all alpa contracts. Belta's contract will cost them 23 Billion over the next 4 years. Our contract will cost 12.5 Billion. Delta has 3 times as many pilots. The TA that we turned down was worth Delta + 25%

01-11-2024 | 02:42 PM

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Go take a look at the W2 thread... while I acknolwlege there may be some outliers there.

I do know this all my best friends are at the big 3, at the same longevity (6-7 years), and they're all out earning me. Unscientific, but we compare notes and I know I'm far behind.