Do you live in base? = Stay

Do you live in one of the legacy bases that cold called you? If so, UAL is hiring street capt, and DAL is down to 1 yr for 717, 320, and 73 Capt. Also, pretty solid reserve rules now.

I've been assured by those on here that we're not overmanned so that won't happen, besides, I've also been told I don't work here. Most senior captains are staying to 67 out of spite....and nothing will make them leave....

Seriously, many of the FO's I've been flying with are concerned about furlough (probably because of the evil Pat May). I am surprised that despite their concern, very few, if any have actually read Chap 23 in our CBA entitled "Furlough and Recall". It describes the provisions that allow the company to offer an early out, the use of 4A2b and 4A2C to mitigate or avoid a furlough. More importantly, there is a chart that tells you how many months you are entitled to pay and medical care after you are furloughed.

Our former R&I guy (Ken Binder who just recently passed far too young) wrote a great series of articles for ALPA National about what you can expect during a furlough. If you are concerned and "on the bubble" I encourage you to spend some time reading these.

I've been 4A2b'd (the old one) down to 55 hrs a month and then excessed a few time, though only one stuck. If you PM me, I will be happy to share a strategy that worked for some to stave off displacement until the situation improved.

There's good information out there if you are willing to glean information from those who may not see things the way you do but are willing to help.

If you are unhappy here.....leave.....life is too short to spend your time unhappy....seriously....if you would be happier somewhere else, the seniority meter is ticking at the other places so the sooner you leave the better otherwise you could find yourself on the wrong end of a wave again. You don't want to go out of the frying pan into the fire.

You'll never truly know if you made the right move financially until the end, but you'll know every day if you made the right or wrong move emotionally.

So all those on the cusp of bailing, I encourage you to take the first step and don't be afraid to bet on yourself, because you're the only one who will (excluding of course those who love you)

If they want to die in the left seat while providing ultra-discount labor to Raj and not spend their A plan monies, more power to them. Doesn't bother me one bit if someone wants to kill themselves by exercising their seniority rights just so they can feel like they beat me. I'll be sitting here on RB for 54hrs a month, playing golf all day, sleeping tight every night, not getting called, waiting for the FCIF announcing their departure.

This isnt new
 

US Postal Service cuts aircraft volume by more than 90% Supply Chain Dive

USPS has reduced its air freight by 90% over the last two years (dated August, 2023). NO surprise, management was aware of this starting in early 2021.


Also, unless 777s carry the postal contract(which i'm pretty sure they dont since their domestic exposure is minimal), there will be no furloughs due to loss of postal freight.

Everyone needs to read Section 4.a.2.c.ii and 4.a.2.c.iii

As long as 777 BLGs remain high, there is ZERO chance of a furlough or a reduction in min BLG. Doesn't matter what the rest of the fleets do.

SAM can drop to 55CHs, but as long as there's a 13-16CH spread between 777s and at least one other fleet, management can't do jack squat. And that fact is thoroughly upsetting them.

It's why management and PD put out the doom and gloom in an LCA meeting to try and convince the pilots it'll happen, when it wont.

PD said 4a2b was gonna happen by end of February. Well, SAM for Jan was ~69.5, and February is ~70.5 (converted 5 week CHs to 4 week).

He said 4a2c was gonna happen by May. Yet he casually forgot to reference the limitations on management under 4.a.2.c.ii & iii.

But hey, don't let the small details get in the way of a good story Pat...

See, and that's what you don't get....if the RB is a good deal, then they'll bid it while you get the 4 leg am turns....We may be fat, lazy, ugly, greedy, and past our prime, but we're not stupid. A lot of us try to maximize the value of our marginal hour of work, not necessarily maximize the w2.....sometimes both things happen at once, most times not

At best they might be able to cut BLGs by a few hours, but that will take building 777 trips very innefficiently and they don't yet have the staffing to do that on that fleet, yet.

Well I agree with you on this....that's why they're training I think as fast as they can

777 and 76 are MD11 replacements.

OK. what's the A300 replacement then if not the 76?

Who's replacing the A300? They don't block much and are fairly low time. Still easy to get parts for. Another boogy man you want to throw in the mix.

This one kills me. We "allow" them to offer an early out. If they feel like it. With no requirements to actually do so.

It's the contract provision that's not a contract provision.

It won't be by the spring like sellout PD has posited.

I don’t get why you guys feel the need for name-calling and disparaging remarks. Isn’t it enough to be confident in your disagreement?

Going to guess you never worked at a regional. He didn't either. Regardless, when you are in the position he's in, you should have a pulse on the pilot group and he has failed miserably. Guy will get laughed out of any cockpit he enters when/if he comes back to the line. People haven't forgotten the words in Fred's Red Letter from ~30 years ago. This won't be any different. And it's even worse, since he's supposed to be one of us.

What does working at a regional have to do with a propensity to poor manners and boorish behavior?

Does working at a regional somehow entitle you or make you more susceptible to calling names and hurling insults in public? I don't think that's what you were trying to say......but it seems like it.....as if ....If I worked at a regional in the past, I would give myself permission to act in an anti-social way.

Perhaps its because some of you grew up in a society where differences of opinion automatically devolve into tribalism and gutter warfare....I'm just guessing here...not accusing.

I still don't get it...it seems pretty insecure to me. The guy was negotiating on your behalf....you don't think he did a very good job....why are you so angry because he missed the mark? IF a baseball player strikes out, are you the kind of guy who will then pile on and throw his hotdog at the guy?

I see what you're saying. You didn't work for a regional clearly and there's a reason people like him drift to management; can't see the forest through the trees.

However unpopular my opinion may be of him to you, it is my own, and you deserve yours. No one asked him to "negotiate" for anything on our behalf. Further, because you've never been at a regional you wouldn't know how much of an insult it really was. Whatever, your background was, I'm grateful for. It's what makes FedEx a great place to work. I appreciate your perspective.

When a baseball player strikes out, he leaves the batters box, returns to the bench and sits down. The next guy stands into the box to take his hack at the problem. If the guy who struck out refuses to leave the box, then yeah, someone might throw a hotdog at him.

Your choice of words is interesting, That you would use the word “popular” with regard to my individual thought versus your individual thought… Your opinion is your opinion, and my opinion is my opinion. There is no “popularity” involved.

I do notice a theme, running through the threads on here, and it seems like only the angry people post anymore, and it has to do with what other people’s opinion is of our contract… What other airlines will think about our airline’s contract. To me the over-riding concern about what other people think is disproportionate, and I believe there’s a lot of envy involved.

i’m beginning to believe that for some of you the anger stems from the fact that you were confusing your market worth and what’s being negotiated for you, and your self-worth. Your worth as an individual has nothing to do with whatever contract that has been negotiated or company you work for.

I think I I think I understand the regional comment now. You see, there were three “Pats” that could’ve been talked about when referred to as “that sellout Pat’. PO, (block rep) PM ( Negotating Committee), and PD (Company)….

Each of these three have been spoken of in very antisocial terms. Quite frankly, there’s been language used that wouldn’t be used in a face-to-face conversation. I was under the impression that this time when somebody said “that sellout Pat” he was referring to PM, obviously your beef Has to be with our company PD, who made mention about the offer from whatever the airline was to Fedex pilots.

if I was a regional guy, at least I’d be going back from once I came “if I had a military background, then I really might be insulted because I might think that beneath me… In any case I wasn’t insulted at all and neither should you be… Plenty of undesirable things are suggested all the time there’s no need to get wound up about it and call people names.

It seems like some people see others “act out” on a board like this and display really antisocial behavior… Like Anthrax, for example…. it’s like the socially equivalent of throwing a rock through a window. Nothing happens to him so other people decide it’s OK to throw a rock through a window. These are people that normally wouldn’t throw rocks through windows… Until it becomes the norm.

i’m asking you to consider toning down your language and your vitriol it doesn’t reflect well on you or anyone for that matter.

Beautiful! If these folks want to analogize, then take it all the way to a logical conclusion - which you did.

I will see you in line at the hot dog stand - mine is in the batter's box.

the hypocrisy of it all. tell us why the moderator gave you an infraction.

The one in 2007 or the one in 2009? Those were the only ones I got....I honestly can't tell you why....it says it was for "Profanity/inappropriate behaviour"....I remember thinking "really?!"
I suppose I was probably "acting out"....hey I was younger then! And there was a contract at stake....Just like now...I probably would be disappointed in my old self. Kinda like a reformed smoker saying "its not good to smoke"....probably didn't reflect well on me then....

I've been impersonating a pilot at this company for over 17 years......I need a hobby!

and the one that occurred in the year of our lord 2024.

Or perhaps the new and improved you can’t reconcile with this fact.

Man I just looked....seriously! Maybe it's incoming! I took a screenshot of my APC UserCP but I haven't figure out how to post it. Just as well though, then everyone would see my friend list is empty. I figured it out. Scary, like taking a selfie and wondering what's in the background.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/m...2-42-55-pm.jpg

That is so cool! Had no idea you could look those up.

I got two demerits - 2007 and 2009. The first one was for telling Herkybird to F herself for calling me a scab, in 2007. I think I got 30 days off the forum too. Good times....

So theres FB jail here on APC?

Arguably The Dumbest Words spoken in 2023
 

I watched that video when Capt. Feelgood said those words and literally spit out my coffee. We are all dumber for having heard that statement, but it was entertaining in a sick sort of way.

The level of disconnect that they have with the pilot group is unbelievable.

If you want to see a continuing level of disconnect, follow the 'silent majority' on Whatsapp. The most vocal 12 angry pilots on there still think TA1.0 should have passed by a wide margin and the 'burn it down' crowd were idiots to vote no. Hard to see a way from here to a 50%+1 TA, much less one we actually earned that could garner 60-70% or more.

Take out the top angry yes SM and the top angry JF burn it down group and everyone left over are probably close in current point of view.

As each day passes, those people become less relevant. Compared to last year, we now have a large group of younger pilots (many with regional union experience) that were on probation but now eligible to vote. A much better situation for those of us planning on a couple more decades here.

Glad to see how important you are just getting off probation.

Maybe you should read the MEC chairman's latest message.

I've been here six years, currently a 76 CA. I fly with a lot of the young guys, and they have some good thoughts on what needs to be changed around here.

Like it or not, the younger folks will be changing this company and the culture. I'm looking forward to it.

Good thing us old guys screwed this place up so bad you are a wide body Capt at six years.

You (or any other pilot) had NO influence on that. Was purely hiring demographic and COVID.

Your just a pilot, hired at a good company doing the job you’re paid to do.

Since we don't have any influence on the company's success I guess we don't deserve to be paid as well as other pilots who help their company be successful.

I also fly with a lot of the more recent hires. They all share similar views as me.

Since we don't have any influence on the company's success I guess we don't deserve to be paid as well as other pilots who help their company be successful.

I also fly with a lot of the more recent hires. They all share similar views as me.

Then why should FX pay you anymore then minimum wage? But wait, FX sucks and people should leave in droves. FX certainly can't be a, "good company".

To be clear, I voted NO within about .02 seconds of the vote closing. I must point out the lack of self-awareness here. You ARE the young/junior guy.

Your present seat/equipment doesn't make you senior or older.

Max,
You’re smarter than that! Don’t conflate our ability to fly an airplane professionally like DAL/AA/UAL/etc with building a company.