My two cents.
the United Tumi TA almost made that place a joke and then a year later they turned it around.
The same could happen here or not.
if you live in a legacy base then I definitely think it’s a tougher choice, I don’t.
I have friends at every airline and they all have infighting and issues. Deltas MEC was just as bad during their negotiations with the reps sending out mass emails bashing one another.
the thing that makes the job the easiest is driving to work. So if you can drive to work, do it and if it’s for pax, spend your money wisely for when the next down turn happens.
im 300 from the bottom FWIW

4 legs in the sunshine with no redeyes on the 717 actually sounds much better than 4 legs through the night on the 757. I don't think you can even compare them objectively because they're that much different.

I agree about the friends and family comment. That's all that matters.

The Tumi TA wasn't as bad as ours and still got shot down by 96%. Only 57% of our eligible voting pilots voted no, but that was with over 10% of our crew force being ineligible to vote due to our silly probation rules.

Nailed it. Friends and family are all that matters. That's it.

However 4-leg days in the sunshine getting vitamin D is better than 4 leg nights in a 757. Hell I'd even prefer a 5 or 6-leg day in a 717 over a 2-leg night in 767.

UAL's Tumi TA got rejected by 96%. Our TA was worse and only got rejected by 57%, but that was with >10% of the pilot group being strategically ineligible to vote.

100%. I wasn’t so much conflicted with staying in the legacy plan as I was when the former R&I Chair shot the email to the NC about a scenario in which the company and pilot group could agree to terminate the pension for all active pilots. I can screen shot the response, but I’m not too literate on the nuances of the language they were using (just a pilot). Anyways, my key takeaway was the NC response saying

“Yes. Under federal law, standard termination of the pension could occur while there are active pilots in the legacy DB plan; however, of utmost importance is the fact that the FedEx Pilots Pension Plan can only be terminated if ALPA agrees to such termination.”

(I didn’t underline it, the email did.)

This response made me now realize that in 24 years, when I want to retire, will the A Plan be there if most of the pilot force is on the MBCBP? And if they are, will the company posit something to eliminate the pension, essentially affecting my old self?

I don’t know! This is what I mean by the “stripping away” of the pension. There is no certainty, and some CAs I’ve flown with have said it’s foolish for me to expect the company to be beholden to paying me one.

A lot of history on that street and a lot of truth to your post.

You would do yourself a big favor and research how our current A fund is funded by the company. How much money is in it. Who are the other employees that participate in it. Also research the current pension laws and what is required by the company by law. Even if the pilots voted to eliminate it you would be locked in at what you have earned as far as high five and YOS.

It is a lot of money, invest the time and do the research. You will earn a lot of money here. Hardest part is keeping it and investing wisely.

Thank you. Appreciate the response.

oh my gosh! Imagine what that would be like…a bunch of pilots get hired under unusual circumstances and then they want to trade the value of your pension that you earned and defended for a career, and divide that up among themselves….

They’ll probably tell you that you had plenty of time to make your money, but this is their company now.

prolly never happen …

What TA did you read? Because it obviously wasn't the one the rest of us read that bet it all on an a-plan increase at the cost of QOL, industry lagging pay, scope, and pilot group unity for the next decade. Nowhere in it did it devalue the pension OTHER than for those remaining on property through the next contract(s).

Don’t be simple and disingenuous . You know well I’m talking about the attitude and course the discussion on this board has taken since the failure of the TA to be ratified.

As far as unity is concerned, the name calling, character assassination and intolerance of those that don’t agree with your world view is profound.

You want to talk about unity? Let’s look at the language Anthrax uses to attack people having a discussion he doesn’t agree with. Seriously…pull up some of his quotes. He’s not an ambassador for unity by any stretch. He doubled and tripled down on his comments when I ask him to make himself clear. He clumsily tried to backpedal when he realized it might be for a deposition, he made like “ I’m just joking, bro”.

i really don’t care about his ugliness, just using it as an example.

You use the concept of unity as a foil to promote your agenda with the skill of a mentally deficient bludgeoner.

Do you really believe in the concept of “Unity” that you espoused, or are you stuck with parroting buz-words you were taught to string together.


if you believe in all this Unity, why haven’t you called out people that share your viewpoint when they step out of line? Are you afraid of your bronies criticizing you?

by the way, I’m here for at least two more contracts.