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FedUpWilson318 01-08-2024 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal (Post 3748039)
Don’t be simple and disingenuous . You know well I’m talking about the attitude and course the discussion on this board has taken since the failure of the TA to be ratified.

Well I'm certainly simple. And I don't know what that other word means. :-)

Attitude and discussion here and elsewhere are a reflection of the thankfully failed TA. I think the root cause of the failure was from the NC/MEC putting 90% of the value into the a-plan bump. I've seen that estimate be as low as 45% of the TAs value, but given that (to me) there was almost nothing else in the TA that was industry-leading or an improvement over 2015, it was WAY too high of a percentage. And the discussion since then seems to break down into two camps. One that wants desperately to hold onto the a-plan gains at all costs in TA1.1. And another who wants to EITHER leverage more $$$ from the company OR wants to dial back the a-plan GAINS so the rest of the TA isn't a farce. I haven't seen the discussion that wants to take away your a-plan yet.

FedUpWilson318 01-08-2024 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 3748035)
What TA did you read? Because it obviously wasn't the one the rest of us read that bet it all on an a-plan increase at the cost of QOL, industry lagging pay, scope, and pilot group unity for the next decade. Nowhere in it did it devalue the pension OTHER than for those remaining on property through the next contract(s).


Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal (Post 3748039)
Don’t be simple and disingenuous . You know well I’m talking about the attitude and course the discussion on this board has taken since the failure of the TA to be ratified.

As far as unity is concerned, the name calling, character assassination and intolerance of those that don’t agree with your world view is profound.

You want to talk about unity? Let’s look at the language Anthrax uses to attack people having a discussion he doesn’t agree with. Seriously…pull up some of his quotes. He’s not an ambassador for unity by any stretch. He doubled and tripled down on his comments when I ask him to make himself clear. He clumsily tried to backpedal when he realized it might be for a deposition, he made like “ I’m just joking, bro”.

i really don’t care about his ugliness, just using it as an example.

You use the concept of unity as a foil to promote your agenda with the skill of a mentally deficient bludgeoner.

Do you really believe in the concept of “Unity” that you espoused, or are you stuck with parroting buz-words you were taught to string together.


if you believe in all this Unity, why haven’t you called out people that share your viewpoint when they step out of line? Are you afraid of your bronies criticizing you?

by the way, I’m here for at least two more contracts.

Are your replying to someone else in this edit, or did you hit the sauce a bit early today?

plzdontfireme 01-08-2024 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 3748057)
Are your replying to someone else in this edit, or did you hit the sauce a bit early today?

Probably on the sauce, and he doesn't even work here.

opt0712 01-08-2024 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Yuko (Post 3747080)
2 for staying. I do think there will be another system bid after an appropriate TA 2.0 is ratified. Hang in there!

They are already planning one later half of 2024.

Nightflyer 01-08-2024 11:53 PM


Originally Posted by opt0712 (Post 3748331)
They are already planning one later half of 2024.

Yes, but will it be an excess bid? Or whatever it is called now?

Or will everyone actually get to "bid what they want to fly"?

Many people didn't get to bid last time around. Will they get to bid this time?

Thrust Hold 01-09-2024 04:45 AM


Originally Posted by Nightflyer (Post 3748378)
Yes, but will it be an excess bid? Or whatever it is called now?

Or will everyone actually get to "bid what they want to fly"?

Many people didn't get to bid last time around. Will they get to bid this time?

With the parking of more MD's, it'll be another Realignment Bid. The time to bid whatever you wanted has passed. Folks got too comfy (complacent) during the good times and didn't anticipate the music stopping.

Cocoloco 01-09-2024 10:50 AM

When does the USPS contract expire? Jan. 01 2025? And USPS makes the decision public Oct. 01? How much smaller will it be? 20%. 50%? If the rumors are true that the post master general wants to shrink it?

opt0712 01-09-2024 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Cocoloco (Post 3748591)
When does the USPS contract expire? Jan. 01 2025? And USPS makes the decision public Oct. 01? How much smaller will it be? 20%. 50%? If the rumors are true that the post master general wants to shrink it?

Expires in September of 2024. Also, the Postmaster General has been drawing down shipping mail via air for a couple years now. He announced his plan THRICE years ago and yet we kept hiring knowing COVID would end and we'd be hauling less mail. Again, this is a (MIS)MANAGEMENT problem not a pilot problem.

Cocoloco 01-09-2024 12:50 PM

FDX needs t offer that $500K early separation deal then, soon. Like UPS did at $320K. To reduce the chances of a furlough if true that it will be cut it significantly. While DL is about to Order 40 new A350 WB's.

plzdontfireme 01-09-2024 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Cocoloco (Post 3748640)
FDX needs t offer that $500K early separation deal then, soon. Like UPS did at $320K. To reduce the chances of a furlough if true that it will be cut it significantly. While DL is about to Order 40 new A350 WB's.

FedEx also needs to take delivery of all their 767 options and buy new build MD-11 replacements. However, immediate shareholder returns are more important right now so they won't, and it will end up costing them even more money for fleet renewal later on than if they did it now.


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