The Many Negative Effects of Student Lines
#11
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Idk this seems like a minor change. If open time and XTRA isn’t being manipulated then it’s not so bad to go into view add at 125%. Not to mention no one would complain when the trips were plentiful and picking that up at a premium would be a no brainer. Besides if you don’t want the LCA line avoid them. I don’t think that’s a show stopper on the student lines. Your computations def support your argument but I don’t think it effects enough of the pilot group to push the needle.
-Bubs
-Bubs
#12
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Idk this seems like a minor change. If open time and XTRA isn’t being manipulated then it’s not so bad to go into view add at 125%. Not to mention no one would complain when the trips were plentiful and picking that up at a premium would be a no brainer. Besides if you don’t want the LCA line avoid them. I don’t think that’s a show stopper on the student lines. Your computations def support your argument but I don’t think it effects enough of the pilot group to push the needle.
-Bubs
-Bubs
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#15
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Everything in my previous post is a fact. PD lied to the LCAs when he “leaked” that student lines were an easy giveback, just to have the company dig in.
Mgmt lied about CGN flying in the MEM Bidpack. They lied about “simplifying calculations” (vs reducing by over 90%) of wet least penalties.
Mgmt has routinely violated R-24 trip assignments per the grievance committee. Mgmt cut deviation banks a month early. They screwed up wet lease payments two years in a row. Do you honestly think any of those issues would be rectified without pilots pushing back via the union?
Everything above is a fact. That doesn’t even begin to address disingenuous actions like lie-flat seats, R-24 HSTBY, expense report close-outs, etc.
Mgmt lied about CGN flying in the MEM Bidpack. They lied about “simplifying calculations” (vs reducing by over 90%) of wet least penalties.
Mgmt has routinely violated R-24 trip assignments per the grievance committee. Mgmt cut deviation banks a month early. They screwed up wet lease payments two years in a row. Do you honestly think any of those issues would be rectified without pilots pushing back via the union?
Everything above is a fact. That doesn’t even begin to address disingenuous actions like lie-flat seats, R-24 HSTBY, expense report close-outs, etc.
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Everything in my previous post is a fact. PD lied to the LCAs when he “leaked” that student lines were an easy giveback, just to have the company dig in.
Mgmt lied about CGN flying in the MEM Bidpack. They lied about “simplifying calculations” (vs reducing by over 90%) of wet least penalties.
Mgmt has routinely violated R-24 trip assignments per the grievance committee. Mgmt cut deviation banks a month early. They screwed up wet lease payments two years in a row. Do you honestly think any of those issues would be rectified without pilots pushing back via the union?
Everything above is a fact. That doesn’t even begin to address disingenuous actions like lie-flat seats, R-24 HSTBY, expense report close-outs, etc.
Mgmt lied about CGN flying in the MEM Bidpack. They lied about “simplifying calculations” (vs reducing by over 90%) of wet least penalties.
Mgmt has routinely violated R-24 trip assignments per the grievance committee. Mgmt cut deviation banks a month early. They screwed up wet lease payments two years in a row. Do you honestly think any of those issues would be rectified without pilots pushing back via the union?
Everything above is a fact. That doesn’t even begin to address disingenuous actions like lie-flat seats, R-24 HSTBY, expense report close-outs, etc.
#18
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At other airlines, they build IOE-only lines which go into a special bucket that only the LCAs who will be conducting IOE that month are eligle to bid. A buddy at AA says some Captains whine about it since they are way senior to the LCA who was awarded Line X, but that's just how they do it. That type of idea wasn't floated here because it would be DOA. Can't touch the Captains around here - they are seated at the right hand of the Father and what's theirs is their and what's your is theirs to quote a famous one from long ago. Want to abrogate seniority which is all this money-grab is? Then do it to the Captains, too, and pull trips out of the bid packs making IOE Only Lines that only the LCAs can bid. But don't worry, Captains, you can go pick stuff up at 125%. See how THAT idea goes over. Anything short of that unsupportable idea and we are just screwing F/Os and allowing seniority to be nullified.
#19
At other airlines, they build IOE-only lines which go into a special bucket that only the LCAs who will be conducting IOE that month are eligle to bid. A buddy at AA says some Captains whine about it since they are way senior to the LCA who was awarded Line X, but that's just how they do it. That type of idea wasn't floated here because it would be DOA. Can't touch the Captains around here - they are seated at the right hand of the Father and what's theirs is their and what's your is theirs to quote a famous one from long ago. Want to abrogate seniority which is all this money-grab is? Then do it to the Captains, too, and pull trips out of the bid packs making IOE Only Lines that only the LCAs can bid. But don't worry, Captains, you can go pick stuff up at 125%. See how THAT idea goes over. Anything short of that unsupportable idea and we are just screwing F/Os and allowing seniority to be nullified.
#20
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At other airlines, they build IOE-only lines which go into a special bucket that only the LCAs who will be conducting IOE that month are eligle to bid. A buddy at AA says some Captains whine about it since they are way senior to the LCA who was awarded Line X, but that's just how they do it. That type of idea wasn't floated here because it would be DOA. Can't touch the Captains around here - they are seated at the right hand of the Father and what's theirs is their and what's your is theirs to quote a famous one from long ago. Want to abrogate seniority which is all this money-grab is? Then do it to the Captains, too, and pull trips out of the bid packs making IOE Only Lines that only the LCAs can bid. But don't worry, Captains, you can go pick stuff up at 125%. See how THAT idea goes over. Anything short of that unsupportable idea and we are just screwing F/Os and allowing seniority to be nullified.
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