Originally Posted by plzdontfireme

The two biggest issues with the A plan bump that should have made it a nonstarter are the fact that it split the pilot group and also didn't even bring us back to 2015 nor 2020 value once inflation was factored in. It would have been better if they had just taken the amount that they threw at the A plan bump and thrown it at increasing the B fund to 14% with CoC and then throw the rest of the money at the pilot group in the form of a pensionable bonus with cash over cap into an MBCBP.

Originally Posted by plzdontfireme

The A plan giveback was not costed out. The 100% vacation buyback and it's negative effect on people's careers was not costed out. Unless they can show their work, I'm calling BS on the valuation, and even if they do, it's probably still BS. The company would have been legally required to report a massive increase in pilot costs on their july earnings call this summer if that TA was as valuable as ALPA claimed it to be.

Originally Posted by threeighteen

Back in November I made a post exposing the existence of a newly created WhatsApp group that was publicly scheming to create a “kill list” of pilots that they wanted to deny jumpseats to.

Threats were made to myself and others, and unfortunately a pilot who was a vocal no voter was placed on NOQ status in a “shoot him first, find the reason why later” manner. That pilot unfortunately ended up resigning to take a job elsewhere instead of dealing with a kangaroo court here.



Something isn't adding up here. It appears you know the guy who resigned based on your earlier post. So he was placed in NOQ status, but you don't know why? There has to be more to the story. He didn't just get placed on NOQ for no reason. If "said vocal no voter" just left to avoid dealing with a kangaroo court, then perhaps the company had something on "said vocal no voter?"

There seems to be several folks in NOQ status right now related to social media posts and processes. I am just trying to understand what they allegedly did. The Block 5 rep is still NOQ. There have been a lot of "likely" and "I believe" comments about him coupled with many crew bus rumors. Has anyone actually talked to him to get the facts as to why he is NOQ? Did he take the post down from JF due to legal advice or did he have second thoughts and did it via his own free will? One of his vocal supporters is NOQ as well. Was it misuse of VIPs perhaps? Seems like a lot of finger pointing and conspiracy theories in all these actions but absolutely ZERO accountabily.

Originally Posted by Nightflyer

What does NQN mean?

Originally Posted by max8222

If you want to know exactly what happens in negotiations get on the NC. I guess you do not read the union emails either.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts

So you either don't know/understand how retirement funding works or you are advocating for a reduction in our current retirment. What you just proposed would freeze our current A plan, or you don't understand the tax advantage of CoC money going into a MBCBP.

Originally Posted by Westerner

I keep reading the value of TA1 was so high because every dollar increase to the pension cost the company an additional three dollars. Why don't we just ask for all four dollars and spread it aound equitably. What am I missing? If the company refuses we'd know the true value of TA1 isn't actually as high as advertised.

Originally Posted by plzdontfireme

The proof is that FedEx didn't report an a significant increase in pilot cost. That tells you everything you need to know. FedEx can't just agree to a TA worth $3.8 billion and not have it show up in their earnings report. Finance doesn't work that way.

Originally Posted by plzdontfireme

We didn't change out the NC so the company didn't change their offer. Change must first come from within.

Originally Posted by 990Convair

Can you explain how a fortune 50 company, stocked with a razor sharp legal team and bottomless legal funds, is going to cave when a second year 757 F/O who most likely couldn’t explain SUB or best case a previous NC chair with experience that reassumes the position walks in? Seriously, paint the picture as to how that forces the company to cough up and give you the items you want that would add billions to the balance sheet.

Originally Posted by Maddog64

They didn't have to report anything in July because we didn't accept their contract offer. There was no increase in pilot cost. If FedEx offers to buy some airplanes they don't incur any cost or have to report anything until a Boeing agrees to the price.

Originally Posted by 990Convair

Can you explain how a fortune 50 company, stocked with a razor sharp legal team and bottomless legal funds, is going to cave when a second year 757 F/O who most likely couldn’t explain SUB or best case a previous NC chair with experience that reassumes the position walks in? Seriously, paint the picture as to how that forces the company to cough up and give you the items you want that would add billions to the balance sheet.

Originally Posted by Stan446

Company made its offer with a total sum that won't change. FX can just sit back and wait while we juggle priorities and we'll end up with the same dollar value in the end. We'll get those coveted DL pay rates, nebulous scope clause, no pension bump and a slight DC bump with the same signing bonus. Enjoy.