Originally Posted by opt0712

That second part was more tongue in cheek. But yes in that situation leverage or perhaps an opportunity presented itself and swung heavily toward the pax carrier pilots. A one off essentially.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts

Didn't we have a similar "one off" situation here with basically 24 months of non-stop peak? So how did we squander our leverage or the opportunity that presented itself?

Originally Posted by opt0712

Yep, and an MEC and company that said "we'll get back to it" after COVID. I don't remember any negotiating sessions during the hear of COVID. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Opportunity squandered.

Originally Posted by Hacker15e

Unbelievable that the company is revving up the chain-saw to cut our limbs off like Scarface, and yet a hunk of the pilot group still sees TA No Voters as the bad guys.

Originally Posted by opt0712

I don't remember any negotiating sessions during the hear of COVID. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Opportunity squandered.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts

What are you saying? You’re not suggesting that pilots have leverage when there is more flying than pilots to do it, are you?

Originally Posted by FalseProphet

[size=0pt]Sadly, but predictably, I am re-posting “The Road to the Promised Land”, which originally appeared on this forum July 24, 2023. For those who did not see it:[/size]

[size=0pt]Well Helter Skelter is upon us! The 12 Angry Men mis-represented, twisted and down-right lied to instill fear and distrust of the people who had labored selflessly for this pilot group. You leaders of men who hide behind pseudonyms and pontificate from positions of complete ignorance have succeeded in losing millions of dollars of income, not just for today but for the lifetimes of our pilots.
Great slogan’s and self-absorbed opinions of personal negotiating abilities will definitely result in achieving an “Industry Leading Contract”. Everyone of you please post your real names so that we all can vote for and recognize you when you run for the empty Union positions, post your phone numbers too so that we may call and express our opinions about your intellect, your motivations and your abilities.

THE FACTS: (Please do not try to dismiss these with childish comments, it just furthers my point)
1. Neither Tony C or Brian H or any of you other tough guys will lead this pilot force to a more beneficial contract than what was just voted down.
2. You will NEVER recover 100% retro-pay from the amendable date so automatically you are leaving people behind, and let’s not forget the soon to be retiring.
3. The amount of time to get TA 2.0 is going to be considerably longer than what was sold by your peers. (You can’t even talk to the mediator until after Labor Day)
4. Any hope of being released by the NMB is gone at this point. You have no leverage, You have no ability to affect the Company, no way to bring them to their knees.
5. You are owed nothing by the company, all of you air wh***’s took your 200% and made $700k,$800k,$900k,$1M. Your “sacrifices “ what a joke.
6. The Polling will reflect the same numbers for the same issues that every MEC has looked at since the union has been on the property.

So let the circus calliope music begin, there will be no surge in active participation, the Crewforce will not redouble their efforts and none of you will do anything more than hide in the weeds and berate the new administration for failing to meet your uninformed, uneducated, overblown expectations on this forum.
Rest assured I will repost this thread every month until you ultimately capitulate in 2-3 years.

Fred thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the shareholders thank you. [/size]
[size=0pt]Regardless of your opinion of TA1 it has now become the benchmark to which “MORE” will be applied, by both Yes and NO voters. More Pay Rate, More Scope, More Retirement, More Retro Pay, More Everything! That was the rallying cry of the instigators who undermined the total value of the TA, in addition to conveniently redefining the definition of “Concessionary Contract”; their goal was to create what we have now which is thousands of one issue voters. Unfortunately, they have opened Pandora’s Box, let the Genie out of the bottle if you will, their ambition, personal animosity and avarice were only outpaced by their inexperience and incompetence when it came to the real-world complexities of negotiating and then presenting a contract to our pilot group. Soon the staunch supporters will be scurrying for the door as it slowly becomes apparent to them that they will never be able to meet all the expectations which they campaigned on. Tragically the damage done to our pilot group will take years to recover from, our Union, needlessly decimated by a group of over emotional individuals who were quite literally going to show everyone how it was done; well, we are all still waiting aren’t we.[/size]

[size=0pt]Now we are “All In”, but for what? Meet with the NMB in August of 2024 and imply that we are going to up our ask by $1B, $2B, $3B… , their response will be swift and poignant “see you in March, that should give you enough time to recalibrate your position”. But we have new polling data and the Company must respond to these issues, your leaders will say, but here is where reality will smack them viciously; what they fail to realize is that there are two parties involved in this negotiation and the other side doesn’t care one iota what you think you are worth. To that end if you are hoping that perhaps the Company will meet outside of mediation ask yourself this question: What is their motivation? We have caused this disruption and they will take full advantage of the situation.[/size]

[size=0pt]If there was a quick and viable resolution available to conclude these negotiations each of us would be “ALL IN”, however, the scenario which will inevitably unfold will consist of Block Rep’s and Officers resigning under the auspice that no one will listen, our pilot group is too fractionalized to lead, the economy has changed. The painful solution is that people will need to adjust their expectations, regrettably this will take time, how long depends on the continued machinations of those that espouse that we can “beat” the Company. Our individual Lost wages, B-Plan contributions, Retirement will never be recovered; Who will be accountable? Not them, no matter how culpable they will always point to someone or something else.

Fred’s Son thanks you, FedEx Mgm’t thanks you, the Shareholders thank you.[/size]


[size=0pt]In 2015 approx. 1400+ pilots voted No, two years later you couldn’t find a Yes voter; I would stipulate that soon a majority of the 67% who voted NO will miraculously become Yes voters.[/size][size=0pt] See you in a year![/size]