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Old 12-26-2025 | 08:05 PM
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https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/20...alary-in-2025/

Interesting article.

Click on "contact us"

The comm war continues.
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Old 12-26-2025 | 08:23 PM
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THIS says it all,........
In addition to industry-leading pay exceeding their passenger pilot counterparts.

I needed a good laugh tonight.
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Old 12-27-2025 | 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Ass Juice
https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/20...alary-in-2025/

Interesting article.

Click on "contact us"

The comm war continues.
It's AI clickbait. Maybe loosen the tin foil a little bit.
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Old 12-27-2025 | 08:26 AM
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Definitely AI slop.

A little research on the author's name shows -nothing- other than a dozen other AI-generated articles about airline crew pay published in the last 6 months.

That's despite his deep journalistic qualification of, "been in love with all things about planes for over 20 years."
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Old 12-27-2025 | 09:52 AM
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It’s like any other company, I don’t even listen to the company powwow nonsense, they are just trying to push you where they need you

The people who really know what’s going on ain’t talking.

The pilots who “heard something” are ether naïve or lying, if they were in the circles who actually know they wouldn’t be flying the line anymore than a fry cook knows what McDonald’s strategic corp plan is
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Old 12-27-2025 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ass Juice
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your username is stellar
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Old 12-27-2025 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MELedMel
The pilots who “heard something” are ether naïve or lying, if they were in the circles who actually know they wouldn’t be flying the line anymore than a fry cook knows what McDonald’s strategic corp plan is
The pilots who "heard something" are being fed confidential info from union reps who's sole purpose is to sow discord among the pilot group because they can't get their way.
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Old 12-27-2025 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
The pilots who "heard something" are being fed confidential info from union reps who's sole purpose is to sow discord among the pilot group because they can't get their way.
The rumors about the first TA were remarkably accurate, or did you conveniently forget?

You mean like trying to keep them from giving away BKO? Gee, I have no idea how giving away BKO could sow discord between the domestic and international fleets. (heavy sarcasm)

Student lines, anyone? I can't wait to see how the language works on that one. How many more grievances will we lose? How many times will our own contract administration say "that's not how that really works"?

Wake up and small the coffee. The FO NC chair is not going to get it done, until he gives away the store. I am sure the company celebrated when he was named NC chair, as they knew the concession stand was open.

We were played by the company and SW7D, and now we will suffer the consequences. How long after the contract until those block reps and union officers are offered cushy management positions? There is a reason we have talked about prohibiting that for 10 years after union service, but it never happens. It's kind of like Congress and stock trading. They say they are against it, but they never pass a rule against it. People in those offices consider themselves above the average line pilot. In fact, most of them never intend to return to the line, so they don't have to live under the contract that will come out of all of this. You know, the one the rest of us will be forced to live under.

This is just like what happened to George Sees, and we didn't learn from our past mistakes, because the majority is too young to remember, and too lazy to read history.

I thought we were going to have a TA before December? Seen any progress lately? How long has the company been sitting on ALL of our supposals?

I am sick and tired of people beating up on the 5, I guess now 4, who tried their very best to warn you.



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Old 12-27-2025 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
The rumors about the first TA were remarkably accurate, or did you conveniently forget?

You mean like trying to keep them from giving away BKO? Gee, I have no idea how giving away BKO could sow discord between the domestic and international fleets. (heavy sarcasm)

Student lines, anyone? I can't wait to see how the language works on that one. How many more grievances will we lose? How many times will our own contract administration say "that's not how that really works"?

Wake up and small the coffee. The FO NC chair is not going to get it done, until he gives away the store. I am sure the company celebrated when he was named NC chair, as they knew the concession stand was open.

We were played by the company and SW7D, and now we will suffer the consequences. How long after the contract until those block reps and union officers are offered cushy management positions? There is a reason we have talked about prohibiting that for 10 years after union service, but it never happens. It's kind of like Congress and stock trading. They say they are against it, but they never pass a rule against it. People in those offices consider themselves above the average line pilot. In fact, most of them never intend to return to the line, so they don't have to live under the contract that will come out of all of this. You know, the one the rest of us will be forced to live under.

This is just like what happened to George Sees, and we didn't learn from our past mistakes, because the majority is too young to remember, and too lazy to read history.

I thought we were going to have a TA before December? Seen any progress lately? How long has the company been sitting on ALL of our supposals?

I am sick and tired of people beating up on the 5, I guess now 4, who tried their very best to warn you.
You’re acting like too much DRAFT and egg-nog has penetrated your tin foil hat.

Our FO NC chair has been more transparent than anything PM put out before TA23. Not to mention his main sales pitch during the roadshows was “Vote for this cause if you don’t we’re going to furlough”. Are you kidding me?!?!

So go back to ur troll lair and check the progress bar on the ALPA website cause all sections have been presented and the loser FO NC chair has 3 weeks of dates starting in less than 2 weeks to wrap this up. Maybe it’s me but it’s been 4+ years without a raise so let’s WAKE UP and row in the same direction.

-Bubs
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Old 12-27-2025 | 06:05 PM
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No draft.

No egg nog either.

We will see how this turns out.

I wasn't comparing him to PM, but you knew that already.

We can't row in the same direction when 51 percent of the "union" is in bed with the company.

You sound like you will vote for anything put in front of you, and that will be our downfall.
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