FDX - No negotiations update?
#91
DW and BC introduced and explained the VEBA Trust as a way to fix their own retirement medical coverage costs.
They didn't even try to hide the fact that many of the rest of us might never see the same benefit. I had more than one "debate" at Union Roadshows with BC about why we (the Membership) should vote to take care of the 2 of them.
I opposed the TA for that and other reasons. But ... silly me, I also opposed AGE 65 because it was VERY BAD for me and everyone else who always planned to retire at 60. We ALL lost 5 years seniority that day (Imagine what different seat you might be in if 750 folks retired in those 5 years; how about what better training and vacation periods you might have been able to hold, better monthly bid awards? All for a few folks who didn't properly plan for retirement and don't have any hobbies they'd rather be doing instead hub-turning at night! That's sad and kind of pathetic ).
We gave the guys who were 53 when we signed that contract a bonus just because they were 53. It's a benefit that SHOULD have been negotiated for ALL of us!*?
As our Union leadership said at the time, "This one's for us and ... clink, clink ... Geesh, I love Union Politics
They didn't even try to hide the fact that many of the rest of us might never see the same benefit. I had more than one "debate" at Union Roadshows with BC about why we (the Membership) should vote to take care of the 2 of them.
I opposed the TA for that and other reasons. But ... silly me, I also opposed AGE 65 because it was VERY BAD for me and everyone else who always planned to retire at 60. We ALL lost 5 years seniority that day (Imagine what different seat you might be in if 750 folks retired in those 5 years; how about what better training and vacation periods you might have been able to hold, better monthly bid awards? All for a few folks who didn't properly plan for retirement and don't have any hobbies they'd rather be doing instead hub-turning at night! That's sad and kind of pathetic ).
We gave the guys who were 53 when we signed that contract a bonus just because they were 53. It's a benefit that SHOULD have been negotiated for ALL of us!*?
As our Union leadership said at the time, "This one's for us and ... clink, clink ... Geesh, I love Union Politics
#95
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If you understood the initial purpose of that fund, you might feel otherwise, however, I doubt it. So I guess it's a NO vote for you. How sad.
#96
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JJ we still have the 60 to Medicare insurance problem. I agree that that particular Veba deal is a lost cause and our tough luck. But the moochers who negotiated the 2006 contract lined their buddies pockets with 25K at the expense of the rest of us. I am all for helping Pilots who retire pre 65 because that helps everyone, but no special deals.
#97
Otherwise it is giving money to a subset of pilots. (Some of which was scope penalties that was supposed to go to the general membership)
#98
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The special deal was given to the guys over 53 in the last contract.
I am just trying to get that same deal for the rest of us.
JJ, I understand the purpose of the fund. I also understand that we would have to negotiate that benefit again in the future for the guys that didn't get it. All I am saying, is if this NC didn't negotiate to give the next generation the same deal the last generation got, then I will vote no.
I see nothing sad about that.
It's just business.
I won't vote yes, for a contract that does not treat me equally to guys that are still on the property.
Let me guess, JJ, you got the 25K, didn't you?
"I've got mine", ring a bell?
I am just trying to get that same deal for the rest of us.
JJ, I understand the purpose of the fund. I also understand that we would have to negotiate that benefit again in the future for the guys that didn't get it. All I am saying, is if this NC didn't negotiate to give the next generation the same deal the last generation got, then I will vote no.
I see nothing sad about that.
It's just business.
I won't vote yes, for a contract that does not treat me equally to guys that are still on the property.
Let me guess, JJ, you got the 25K, didn't you?
"I've got mine", ring a bell?
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#100
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This is very frustrating to those of us that weren't 53 on Jan 01, 2007. But, what many here obviously are ignorant about...Is that 68% of our crew force voted to "screw" ourselves, and all others not 53 on that date, out of the $25K, that needed to be renegotiated, in 2011.
And, needs to be renegotiated each contract going forward!
And, needs to be renegotiated each contract going forward!
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