We weren't talking about Benefit, but we were talking simply about wide-body F/O compensation. As you were Tony!

 

So, what $210,000 were you talking about? How does that number affect anybody?





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It doesn't affect anyone. It was just one of those side-tracked conversations. Look at post two--it begins there.

 

OK, gotcha, sorry for my confusion. I should have directed my comment/question towards pinseeker for Post #7. Perhaps it was a coincidence, but many people seem to think $210,000 is a limit that affects us. It is not.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.





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not to derail, much - but there is one of the main reasons we are where we find ourselves.

They don't get there via high RLG or overrides.

 

FDXAV8R makes a great point. I realize I’m preaching to the choir here but, as far as the company saying there’s “no money available” – What was the windfall to the company when the retirement age was raised to 65? Forget about the extra productivity the pilots provide the company working past age 60 and consider only the savings to the company delaying A Fund payments. For every year, month, day you work past age 60, the company is saving by not having to pay your retirement and reduces the total number of years, months, days they will ultimately have to pay you before you die. I would love to see the costing numbers on this. Seems to me these savings would be more than enough to bump up the A Plan.

 

The Blk over 8. 3/3 every 90 days. It all adds up.

 

Can we please stop quibbling about whether a 777 FO can hit the limit and discuss the real problem - that the limit should be $410K this year, and that no FO can hit that.

The limit should be something that guys strive to hit - upgrade to make my high 5. We've all flown with guys doing that. Why? Because it was worth it!

I see two options for the A plan. Either tie it to IRS limits (that adjust every year) or tie it to our new pay rates (that adjust every year). It should stay at a minimum of highest WB CA x 1000. If the WB CA rate hits $300, then the A-plan cap is $300K. The dollar amounts are negotiated together.

The A-plan is nothing more than deferred compensation. We could get much higher payrates now if we gave up the A plan. But it is a negotiated benefit that we HAVE given up compensation before to secure. Letting it die on the vine is an insult to us and previous negotiations.

 

Our represtatives decided it wasn't worth giving up any more compensation to un cap the A Plan. How much other compensation are you going to tell the new NC to give up in order to uncap it.

 

Why I'm voting no - in a nutshell.

I am forced to read every single line of every single section and know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that it will be misinterpreted, abused, misrepresented, and go undefended by my union.

Look at any contract through that lens and it's ugly.

The real problem is the environment of mistrust that has been created by flight management the past few years.

Maybe it will cost them some money to repair that relationship.

Pipe