Draft during Vacation?
10-04-2015, 09:35 AM
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Mayday
This is from a previous post. Who but a FedEx pilot would care to draw attention to a deficit in this TA in the Substitution section?
"An accurate screen is a necessity in understanding the matrix, especially in the longer SUB windows. We can't have language that allows that screen to disappear.
I expected language that would improve SUB, but this is a potential degradation if it is exploited."
So Mayday, which bothers you the most? Codifying working for 50c on the dollar, or 150c on the dollar? Granted the issues I raised aren't the same.
Let's give you a question where the situation is the same. Would you rather have SLB at 50c or SLB at 150c? Probably not at all, but what if those were the only two choices? Not in your personal situation, but philosophically.
This is from a previous post. Who but a FedEx pilot would care to draw attention to a deficit in this TA in the Substitution section?
"An accurate screen is a necessity in understanding the matrix, especially in the longer SUB windows. We can't have language that allows that screen to disappear.
I expected language that would improve SUB, but this is a potential degradation if it is exploited."
So Mayday, which bothers you the most? Codifying working for 50c on the dollar, or 150c on the dollar? Granted the issues I raised aren't the same.
Let's give you a question where the situation is the same. Would you rather have SLB at 50c or SLB at 150c? Probably not at all, but what if those were the only two choices? Not in your personal situation, but philosophically.
10-04-2015, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PolicyWonk
Mayday
This is from a previous post. Who but a FedEx pilot would care to draw attention to a deficit in this TA in the Substitution section?
"An accurate screen is a necessity in understanding the matrix, especially in the longer SUB windows. We can't have language that allows that screen to disappear.
I expected language that would improve SUB, but this is a potential degradation if it is exploited."
So Mayday, which bothers you the most? Codifying working for 50c on the dollar, or 150c on the dollar? Granted the issues I raised aren't the same.
Let's give you a question where the situation is the same. Would you rather have SLB at 50c or SLB at 150c? Probably not at all, but what if those were the only two choices? Not in your personal situation, but philosophically.
This is from a previous post. Who but a FedEx pilot would care to draw attention to a deficit in this TA in the Substitution section?
"An accurate screen is a necessity in understanding the matrix, especially in the longer SUB windows. We can't have language that allows that screen to disappear.
I expected language that would improve SUB, but this is a potential degradation if it is exploited."
So Mayday, which bothers you the most? Codifying working for 50c on the dollar, or 150c on the dollar? Granted the issues I raised aren't the same.
Let's give you a question where the situation is the same. Would you rather have SLB at 50c or SLB at 150c? Probably not at all, but what if those were the only two choices? Not in your personal situation, but philosophically.
I'd rather not incentivize anyone to work, and work, and work, and work -- until they become fatigued, sick or worse
I'd rather the company didn't expect it
10-04-2015, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Letter
865 pilots gave up 7,513 days of vacation in the last 7 months. I think the company is doing just fine.
Of course, there was another large group of pilots that were lamenting that "they weren't senior enough to get vacation cancellation!!!" 
I guess that is called "Unity", in their eyes.
After this POS TA (most of it), why would any pilot "want to help the company"!?
The company has "spoken" loud and clear about what they think of us and our families. Even most of the Yes voters are not excited about it.
"You reap what you sow".
Of course, there was another large group of pilots that were lamenting that "they weren't senior enough to get vacation cancellation!!!" I guess that is called "Unity", in their eyes.After this POS TA (most of it), why would any pilot "want to help the company"!?
The company has "spoken" loud and clear about what they think of us and our families. Even most of the Yes voters are not excited about it.
"You reap what you sow".
10-04-2015, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Liftr
Ugh!! 865/4200=20% that are working for the other team.
How many of these very same people who sold back vacation will fly draft/volunteer to move the boxes, and possibly at 200%??
"We have met the enemy and he is us" Pogo.
Sorry, but this is exactly why I voted yes.
10-04-2015, 02:34 PM
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Champ, I also voted yes because I do not think we have enough pilots that will do what it will take to support a No vote. I was looking at FO's and Capt schedules when trips drop in in open time the last few weeks. 80% had lines 100+ hrs for month after month. How many have turned down draft over the last year while so many just cannot turn it down or are protecting carryover and have 100+hrs too. If the TA does not pass how may yes voters are going to get their pay raise by taking draft trips while the rest of us fly our line and look like fools.
There are a minority here that have supported the negotiating committee, probably why they took the company's offer. They know who the real enemy is and it is us. Full support for them and we would have had the contract that we would have deserved. Instead we got what we deserved!
There are a minority here that have supported the negotiating committee, probably why they took the company's offer. They know who the real enemy is and it is us. Full support for them and we would have had the contract that we would have deserved. Instead we got what we deserved!
10-04-2015, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PolicyWonk
I've been told the company can't draft you while you're on vacation. I don't know if that is true.
If it is true, do you agree with it?
If it were changed, would you consider it concessionary? How could it be changed if true?
I'm looking for ways pilots could get paid 150% instead of 50% while helping the company with their manning problem. And provide less justification for the push by airlines for another raise in regulated retirement age.
If it is true, do you agree with it?
If it were changed, would you consider it concessionary? How could it be changed if true?
I'm looking for ways pilots could get paid 150% instead of 50% while helping the company with their manning problem. And provide less justification for the push by airlines for another raise in regulated retirement age.
10-04-2015, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ClutchCargo
EVERY FDX pilot knows that you cannot work over your vacation (DRF, VLT, M/U). Nada, nothing, zilch. You are obviously NOT a FDX pilot.
I am curious of who and why someone would post all this stuff. Internet personality? Student doing research on internet forums? Law school student interested in aviation contracts? High school student bored, or working on a subject for college essays? I'm all for having anyone participate on these sites, but I appreciate it when one is honest about their occupation and interest.
10-04-2015, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Letter
865 pilots gave up 7,513 days of vacation in the last 7 months. I think the company is doing just fine. Of course, there was another large group of pilots that were lamenting that "they weren't senior enough to get vacation cancellation!!!" I guess that is called "Unity", in their eyes.
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Of course, there was another large group of pilots that were lamenting that "they weren't senior enough to get vacation cancellation!!!" I guess that is called "Unity", in their eyes..
10-04-2015, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by boxhauler
That's a very specific tally you have there. What's your source?
At least tell us if this is company data....or association data?
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