Don't get caught by the new bidding days
10-30-2015, 01:22 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
Yep, 4 hours. Who needs instant trip trading, when we can just stay up all night waiting to be earlier time stamped?
And the negotiators knew that even though the pilots asked for real time trip trading, we didn't know what was best for us, so they decided that we really didn't want it after all. Much more important to keep priority makeup going. Seems like if they'd actually talked to pilots who really work within this system and spend their damn lives waiting for trip trades to be processed, that they would have realized that we actually meant it, and wouldn't have made the decision not to ask for it, for us.
And the negotiators knew that even though the pilots asked for real time trip trading, we didn't know what was best for us, so they decided that we really didn't want it after all. Much more important to keep priority makeup going. Seems like if they'd actually talked to pilots who really work within this system and spend their damn lives waiting for trip trades to be processed, that they would have realized that we actually meant it, and wouldn't have made the decision not to ask for it, for us.
10-30-2015, 01:36 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Mark2792
It is very easy if you are on the road to miss the opportunity to bid with a four day bidding period!!!
Also don't understand how a shorter bid period somehow equates to a master plan to cover the flying with less bodies. You flunk bidding, you possibly get something a junior guy would normally get. He possibly gets something more senior. Still have he same number of lines covered with the same number of pilots.Seems like big weekend plans with friends or family while you're at home would be a bigger issue with bidding than being on the road, but I do realize everyone's situation is different.
10-30-2015, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark2792
HOW did this happen? Listen to me ALPA, we need to fix this and fix this yesterday! It is very easy if you are on the road to miss the opportunity to bid with a four day bidding period!!!
. Solution: Default bid choice is Secondary Line. Then you get xtra time and the new SWWindow to see a refreshed OpenTime (minus all the cherry carryin trips but plus vacation drops) and adjust your non-binding bid preferences
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10-30-2015, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
I wonder what the vote results would have been had there been no road shows and no videos, just pilots receiving paper/electronic copies of the TA to independently and responsibly read, digest, and vote accordingly. I suspect the TA would have been an abysmal failure, as it should've been... IMO.
CS my good friend... You don't honestly think that if there weren't road shows and videos the folks leaning on them for explanation would've then actually picked up the document and read it, do you? Surely you jest.
The response from Captains (who I would've assumed took a bit more responsibility, as Captains, to read, ingest, and interpret the contract) when I tell them I read the entire document, all 616 pages, has been mostly shock and "good for you", followed by a bunch of questions about what it said or how a new rule/area of the CBA works. Sad....
10-31-2015, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackKnight
CS my good friend... You don't honestly think that if there weren't road shows and videos the folks leaning on them for explanation would've then actually picked up the document and read it, do you? Surely you jest.
The response from Captains (who I would've assumed took a bit more responsibility, as Captains, to read, ingest, and interpret the contract) when I tell them I read the entire document, all 616 pages, has been mostly shock and "good for you", followed by a bunch of questions about what it said or how a new rule/area of the CBA works. Sad....
The response from Captains (who I would've assumed took a bit more responsibility, as Captains, to read, ingest, and interpret the contract) when I tell them I read the entire document, all 616 pages, has been mostly shock and "good for you", followed by a bunch of questions about what it said or how a new rule/area of the CBA works. Sad....
10-31-2015, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Me, I like knowing what I will be doing next month sooner.
10-31-2015, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
That's always good. However, VTO holders still won't know one second earlier, and I'm betting there will be a larger number of them, now that so many additional reserve lines will be dumped into the VTO's. At least junior people holding reserve knew what their schedules would be before the last moment. So now, very probably, less people knowing what they are doing until the last moment.
10-31-2015, 08:51 AM
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Why would they possibly have more control over their schedules now? What changed to allow them that? You still are at the bottom, and get what is left. It's not like magically they are now going to actually consider your requests.
10-31-2015, 09:50 AM
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For one, you are bidding on blocks of R days vice scheduling putting them where they want them. But you are correct the bottom 10% schedules will suck regardless of the rules, always have always will. The new VTO rules wont change that.
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