ol'tigerguy

100-ish

Waldorf

170ish 777 Capts

Full pull

Are we bidding under the old system, company picks your training date,or the new contractual system, we pick the training date?

The Walrus

Old system.

DaRaiders

Did anybody here go to the meeting in ANC with DD and TL and ask about the future of the ANC domicile?

Full pull

So this MOAB bid will have training assigned for the next few years. Will we ever get a chance to bid for our training dates, as negotiated, before the next contract? The further we go into this contract the more I realize what a turd It is!

MX727

Nope. Guarantee that the next MOAB, after this MOAB closes and produces a training letter just a few days before implementation of that section.

Daniel Larusso

Big picture wise, I'm not sure that there's a great solution right now for the main problem which is the throughput into/out of the 757/767 fleet. Looking at the training letters, it looks like all the fleets outside of the 75/76 could complete the training from the last bid by December training capacity wise but it would screw up 75/76 staffing because they can't train fast enough on those fleets.

Reading the new sec 24, conceptually it seems to based on the usual status quo around here of all the training letters ending pretty much at the same time going into the next bid. The way I read it, it's probably a better deal for us in general to use the current 24 until the training letters sync up. There is nothing in the new 24 that prohibits the company from denying someone a monthly training award due to new hire training, regulated age, or staffing needs of the FROM position. That's not a massive deal if the training letters are in sync as usual, but look at it now. A whole bunch of people would still be denied training slots due to new hires or staffing needs of their FROM position, i.e. just like the training letter right now, but the new 24 only allows one continuous slot denial payment per training slot (new Passover pay term). Seems like fewer people would get Passover/SDP if they used the new Sec 24 now with the letters out of sync.

Also there's nothing in there that mandates how many and what type of slots the company must offer each month. So let's say someone is going from the 75 to the 76. That's a differences training slot and maybe the company decides not to offer any of those for awhile instead putting out ITU slots and denying people based on new hire or FROM staffing. While I think the new Sec 24 will work largely as written when things are more normal training flow wise, I don't really see a better solution right now from our POV.

viperdriver

I think there are a lot of 757 767 sims coming online. If 767 sim passes. Heard common type for 757 767 is going away for all airlines. Anyone hear we accepted 3 767 s and put them in the desert due to lack of pilots?

NoHaz

Probably working on a cargo cutout for that now