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Old 05-10-2016, 09:41 AM
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Who pays attorney fees and associated costs if you lose this lawsuit? Just the named plaintiffs?

Do I become a named plaintiff if I donate money to support this lawsuit?
1. We have agreed to a limit with Jacobson Press & Fields as to how much they can charge us in attorney fees, so there is no "bottomless pit" in attorney fees. Monies will be drawn from the FedEx Pilots Action Fund, LLC.

We need all FedEx pilots to contribute. In Brady vs. ALPA, all pilots that contributed were reimbursed their contribution in addition to their settlement payment.

We’ve agreed with Jacobson Press & Fields that any attorney fees paid will be refunded to each pilot from the contingent (the law firm's portion), if there is a judgement or settlement for damages, subject to Court approval.

As with any lawsuit, there is no guarantee of outcome.

2. All FedEx Express pilots on the seniority list during the 2015 TA ratification are represented. If there is a judgement or settlement for damages, all of these pilots are included. It's not just the "named plaintiffs".

This is your contribution to hold ALPA accountable for our present and future contracts.
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ClassActionALPA,

Why are you suing ALPA National when it was the FedEx ALPA Negotiating Committee who chose to misrepresent/mislead?
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Old 05-10-2016, 10:26 AM
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ClassActionALPA,

Why are you suing ALPA National when it was the FedEx ALPA Negotiating Committee who chose to misrepresent/mislead?
We are suing on behalf of all FedEx pilots. FDX/ALPA is a part of ALPA National. For example, the staff and attorneys at FDX/ALPA work for ALPA National.
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Old 05-10-2016, 10:30 AM
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We are suing on behalf of all FedEx pilots. FDX/ALPA is a part of ALPA National. For example, the staff and attorneys at FDX/ALPA work for ALPA National.
I understand that. But in your search for accountability, it seems you are missing those directly accountable, the NC.

BTW, I understand what you're doing and why you're doing it, but wholly disagree with the lawsuit. Our society is already too rife with litigation for us to be suing our own union. Even though lawsuits are done under the pretense of 'holding others accountable', most lawsuits are the result of not owning up to one's own responsibilities. In this case, our educated crew force, is directly responsible for voting in favor of the TA. We had access to it in printed and electronic copy, regardless of the dog-and-pony roadshows and videos, and the sales job presented to us. The TA, now CBA, is the document that decides our contract with the company, not the roadshows, not the videos. Your peers, us, are who chose the TA as acceptable, and we should be responsible enough to live with the consequences of our collective vote.
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor View Post
I understand that. But in your search for accountability, it seems you are missing those directly accountable, the NC.

BTW, I understand what you're doing and why you're doing it, but wholly disagree with the lawsuit. Our society is already too rife with litigation for us to be suing our own union. Even though lawsuits are done under the pretense of 'holding others accountable', most lawsuits are the result of not owning up to one's own responsibilities. In this case, our educated crew force, is directly responsible for voting in favor of the TA. We had access to it in printed and electronic copy, regardless of the dog-and-pony roadshows and videos, and the sales job presented to us. The TA, now CBA, is the document that decides our contract with the company, not the roadshows, not the videos. Your peers, us, are who chose the TA as acceptable, and we should be responsible enough to live with the consequences of our collective vote.
I respectfully disagree with your assertions.

Do you care about how your dues monies were spent?

Do you care about receiving correct information from those that are elected to represent us and present that information? And which is required by federal law?

Is the line pilot the one at fault for receiving the misrepresented information?

Accountability is something we are held responsible for everyday we step into the cockpit or simulator, on layovers and even off-duty.
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Old 05-10-2016, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ClassActionALPA View Post
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Do you care about how your dues monies were spent?

Do you care about receiving correct information from those that are elected to represent us and present that information? And which is required by federal law?

Is the line pilot the one at fault for receiving the misrepresented information?
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Yes, I care about our dues monies, and see lawsuits against our union as a sure way to raise dues in the future.

I DID receive the correct information from those elected to represent us, in the form of a printed TA. The rest (roadshows, videos, etc...) were a sales job - which political organizations, like our union, tend to do.

The line pilot majority was directly responsible for voting in the TA, nobody else. We are a group of highly trained and educated professionals who need to own the CBA we voted in. That is where I believe the responsibility lies.

I understand your disappointment with ALPA though, although IMO it's our own NC who is responsible for the roadshows, videos and Q&A - which mislead those line pilots not responsible enough to do their due diligence and read the document sent to us.

In any event, good luck.
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor View Post
Yes, I care about our dues monies, and see lawsuits against our union as a good way to raise dues in the future.

I DID receive the correct information from those elected to represent us, in the form of a printed TA. The rest (roadshows, videos, etc...) were a sales job - which political organizations, like our union, tend to do.

The line pilot majority was directly responsible for voting in the TA, nobody else. We are a group of highly trained and educated professionals who need to own the CBA we voted in. That is where I believe the responsibility lies.

I understand your disappointment with ALPA though, although IMO it's our own NC who is responsible for the roadshows, videos and Q&A.
The term "sales job" does not include in its definition "misrepresented" information.

This is about the rule of law and federally mandated responsibilities, not disappointment.
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Originally Posted by ClassActionALPA View Post
The term "sales job" does not include in its definition "misrepresented" information.

This is about the rule of law and federally mandated responsibilities, not disappointment.
If you are successful with this lawsuit, I'd suggest going after Congress regarding Obamacare. The same principles seem to apply.
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Old 05-10-2016, 12:20 PM
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The underlying issue is that the crew force had every opportunity to READ the contract. I am not the smartest tool in the shed so I did twice. I voted no and STILL believe it was a less than acceptable contract. I would say less than a third read the entire contract and still voted yes. I may disagree but it passed. No hinting, No hoping, No Go Around. It passed. So now I CHOOSE to move on. I had every opportunity to read the facts and so did everyone else. In this particular instance, I believe, we should move on. FWIW.
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Originally Posted by ClassActionALPA View Post
...We need all FedEx pilots to contribute...
This ain't gonna happen and you know it. Many, (and judging by the ratio of responses you've received here and elsewhere, perhaps most) don't feel that this is the right way of going about achieving your goals. Others won't feel that there's much of a chance of success. A few others are happy with the TA outcome.

If you truly need ALL FedEx pilots to contribute in order to succeed, then you're doomed.

You promised transparency and accountability in the other forum. Since you offered, how much have you raised, and how many pilots have contributed to date?
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