BS in Aeronautics or Flight School?
#31
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https://www.scribd.com/doc/273231452...side-Down-pdf#
Read this, it’s called Flying Upside Down and it’s a book written by an expat pilot that went to China.
Read this, it’s called Flying Upside Down and it’s a book written by an expat pilot that went to China.
#32
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Just looking at salaries is a poor way to pursue a job. The number of U.S. who are competitive in the U.S. and choose to fly in China instead is a very small number. Very small. Probably one in thousands, especially for guys starting out.
If you can get your PPL now I’d recommend knocking it out. Knock off as many core courses as you can. I’ve recommending going the flying route first and getting your degree while at a regional airline. With some general courses knocked out, and an ATP, you can get an online from an aviation college fairly easily (60-80 credits?) while flying for a regional.
The path to the majors in the U.S. takes 8-10 years. By going to the regionals first you might knock off two years. The additional two years at the end of your career are worth over $450,000 per year and perhaps over $600,000. It takes that long from leaving the starting gate to being really competitive. The pilot supply shortage might reduce that time.
I wonder, and worry, about people that think they’ve discovered a secret way to rapidly become rich, or get into a big airliner. And if you get a flight academy slot at one of their flight schools you’re looking at years with that company or having to repay them. Why not get the experience on your own and have the freedom of choosing where, and for whom, you work vs. being stuck with one company?
If you can get your PPL now I’d recommend knocking it out. Knock off as many core courses as you can. I’ve recommending going the flying route first and getting your degree while at a regional airline. With some general courses knocked out, and an ATP, you can get an online from an aviation college fairly easily (60-80 credits?) while flying for a regional.
The path to the majors in the U.S. takes 8-10 years. By going to the regionals first you might knock off two years. The additional two years at the end of your career are worth over $450,000 per year and perhaps over $600,000. It takes that long from leaving the starting gate to being really competitive. The pilot supply shortage might reduce that time.
I wonder, and worry, about people that think they’ve discovered a secret way to rapidly become rich, or get into a big airliner. And if you get a flight academy slot at one of their flight schools you’re looking at years with that company or having to repay them. Why not get the experience on your own and have the freedom of choosing where, and for whom, you work vs. being stuck with one company?
#33
Yokota (not Yokosuka) has a Flying Club. Is there any way you could get posted there and take flying lessons there?
I want to change something I said earlier. If you were already a qualified pilot in, for example, a B-777 or A-340, I am sure any airline in China would love to hire you, without a four-year degree, and without learning Chinese.
I highly recommend you read that book Flying Upside Down mentioned earlier in this thread. It is very accurate.
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It is all up to the company that hires you. I believe UPS and FedEx require it. But other airlines do not. Decide which airline you want to work for (for example, China Eastern) and then find out if they require a four-year degree. (I would be shocked if China Eastern or Xiamen hired you without a four-year degree.)
Do you speak fluent Chinese? If not, then I think an airline like China Eastern will only hire you if are already a qualified pilot on a large airliner.
Do you speak fluent Chinese? If not, then I think an airline like China Eastern will only hire you if are already a qualified pilot on a large airliner.
#35
I think you should first start with the private pilot textbook by a company called Jeppesen:
https://www.amazon.com/Private-Pilot.../dp/0884872386
This book is a textbook that focuses on the fundamentals of being a pilot, and you need to learn these fundamentals first.
The add says you can pick up a used copy for as little as $3! Does Yokosuka have a thrift store? A used book store? There might be one in there.
Read that book cover to cover. Then let us know if you have any questions. (This is how I first got started as a pilot many years ago.)
You have also asked where to do flight training. Choose a place that has nice weather. If you choose a place that has bad weather, you may find yourself spending many days when you are unable to do flight training because of bad weather (wasting time and money).
https://www.amazon.com/Private-Pilot.../dp/0884872386
This book is a textbook that focuses on the fundamentals of being a pilot, and you need to learn these fundamentals first.
The add says you can pick up a used copy for as little as $3! Does Yokosuka have a thrift store? A used book store? There might be one in there.
Read that book cover to cover. Then let us know if you have any questions. (This is how I first got started as a pilot many years ago.)
You have also asked where to do flight training. Choose a place that has nice weather. If you choose a place that has bad weather, you may find yourself spending many days when you are unable to do flight training because of bad weather (wasting time and money).
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Based on the information that I read on other forum's Xiamen Captains make $300/hour, get 48 hours of rest for every 4 days of flights, the majority of flights are domestic with some international flights within southern Asian neighboring countries and because of Xiamen higher flight fairs the hotel's accommodations are 4-5 star.
I don't want to sound like I'm promoting them but this is what I've read from different sources. I couldn't find much information about FO's except their starting salaries.
I don't want to sound like I'm promoting them but this is what I've read from different sources. I couldn't find much information about FO's except their starting salaries.
If you were to stay in America, you would be making only slightly less per hour, but will work significantly less. There are wide body captains in the US on reserve who make over 200k a year and literally never get called (read: don't need to go to work)
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#37
We're affiliated with the Navy in CFAY Base. Prior to enrolling into ERAU I did seek out my options here. Kadena AB is over a thousand miles away from here so not an option and as Yokota Flight Training is tailored more for military personnel not dependants nor civilian contractors.
I can go there for my Part 61 Privates License only Part 141 is strictly reserved for vets and active duty only. I'm still considering maybe going for my Part 61 Privates but I don't know if I should hold off and instead focus on going towards Part 141 since I plan on going for my Instrumental, Multi-engine IFR then Commercials
I can go there for my Part 61 Privates License only Part 141 is strictly reserved for vets and active duty only. I'm still considering maybe going for my Part 61 Privates but I don't know if I should hold off and instead focus on going towards Part 141 since I plan on going for my Instrumental, Multi-engine IFR then Commercials
#38
I did part of my flight training at Yokota Aero Club and I was not active military. No problem. They were happy to take my money. I flew their 172RG and they were VERY happy to take my money. (But this was before 9/11 so maybe things have changed.)
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https://www.scribd.com/doc/273231452...side-Down-pdf#
Read this, it’s called Flying Upside Down and it’s a book written by an expat pilot that went to China.
Read this, it’s called Flying Upside Down and it’s a book written by an expat pilot that went to China.
I look forward to finishing it so I can draw my own conclusions. So far I already expected that being an American living in China would be an extreme culture shock regarding privacy concerns and limited access to the internet.
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If you can get your PPL now I’d recommend knocking it out. Knock off as many core courses as you can. I’ve recommending going the flying route first and getting your degree while at a regional airline. With some general courses knocked out, and an ATP, you can get an online from an aviation college fairly easily (60-80 credits?) while flying for a regional.
The path to the majors in the U.S. takes 8-10 years. By going to the regionals first you might knock off two years. The additional two years at the end of your career are worth over $450,000 per year and perhaps over $600,000. It takes that long from leaving the starting gate to being really competitive. The pilot supply shortage might reduce that time.
I wonder, and worry, about people that think they’ve discovered a secret way to rapidly become rich, or get into a big airliner. And if you get a flight academy slot at one of their flight schools you’re looking at years with that company or having to repay them. Why not get the experience on your own and have the freedom of choosing where, and for whom, you work vs. being stuck with one company?
The path to the majors in the U.S. takes 8-10 years. By going to the regionals first you might knock off two years. The additional two years at the end of your career are worth over $450,000 per year and perhaps over $600,000. It takes that long from leaving the starting gate to being really competitive. The pilot supply shortage might reduce that time.
I wonder, and worry, about people that think they’ve discovered a secret way to rapidly become rich, or get into a big airliner. And if you get a flight academy slot at one of their flight schools you’re looking at years with that company or having to repay them. Why not get the experience on your own and have the freedom of choosing where, and for whom, you work vs. being stuck with one company?
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